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CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVE RYONE equally

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Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2012-04-18 09:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Comy 1
Kirell wrote:
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.



Keep in mind you have to calculate isk/h per character. If you would run 3 characters in an incursion fleet you would would probably land at about 300-350mil/h. And that in high sec that lacks all the dangers of wormholes. Instant payout rather than loot you need to find a k-space entrance to sell, and no POS to fuel and maintain.

And lastly, even if you might collapse a WH quick, you will still have much more downtime while doing wormhole work than incursions.
seany1212
M Y S T
#182 - 2012-04-18 11:13:05 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion



Yup Roll
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#183 - 2012-04-18 13:42:11 UTC
I still don't understand why people consider nerfing WH and WH ISK faucet the same thing.

Nerf WH? No. Nerf WH ISK faucet? Hell yes.

In incursion the ISKs are coming directly from NPCs. SO reducing this income can be done only by reducing the amount given.

In WH the ISKs are coming from NPC buy orders. the best way how to deal with it is to replace NPC orders with player orders. The only problem is to make players want to buy those items. Probably best way to do it is to tie it to T3 BPC production
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#184 - 2012-04-18 14:09:01 UTC
Shpenat wrote:
I still don't understand why people consider nerfing WH and WH ISK faucet the same thing.

Nerf WH? No. Nerf WH ISK faucet? Hell yes.

In incursion the ISKs are coming directly from NPCs. SO reducing this income can be done only by reducing the amount given.

In WH the ISKs are coming from NPC buy orders. the best way how to deal with it is to replace NPC orders with player orders. The only problem is to make players want to buy those items. Probably best way to do it is to tie it to T3 BPC production


Except there are already items tied to T3 BPCs, and those aren't exactly selling like hotcakes.

There's nothing wrong with blue loot. Current inflationary trends mean it is worth even less now than it was before prices got stupidly high. If the upcoming bounty nerfs check the inflation and prove to actually be doing something, then maybe we should look at bringing blue loot in line with the rest of it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#185 - 2012-04-18 14:12:07 UTC
You can lose all your precious blue loot before having a chance to sell it.

All bounties should be collected like this- delivering a tag/item to an NPC entity as a proof of kill.

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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2012-04-18 14:23:01 UTC
Roime wrote:
You can lose all your precious blue loot before having a chance to sell it.

All bounties should be collected like this- delivering a tag/item to an NPC entity as a proof of kill.
This is the best damn idea that I have read on the EVE-O forums. Ever. Talk about an anti-botting measure...

Also consider including upgrades to player-built outposts that will enable tag redemption ensuring that deep null-sec doesn't get the shaft. If Concord can charge billions in Sov bills for deep null-sec installations (the game design behind this is total ****, IMHO), then they can damn well disburse those funds to null-sec pirate hunters.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#187 - 2012-04-18 19:47:02 UTC
Kirell wrote:
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.



And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them.

The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space.

Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best

No trolling please
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#188 - 2012-04-18 20:05:16 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Kirell wrote:
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.



And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them.

The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space.

Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best

Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#189 - 2012-04-18 20:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
seany1212 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion



Yup WH's blue should be nerfed into non existance because its a ISK faucet Roll


Yup, except I really think it shouldn't be totally nerfed TBH just 10% nerfed like Incursion payout & Bounties Roll
Are there any other ISK fountains that are going untouched?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-04-18 20:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Lanasak wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis


1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners
2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions

Sorry...read that wrong. But I think point 1 is wrong. I think there are far more people doing Incursions than WH dwellers that are actively doing sites on a daily basis.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
seany1212
M Y S T
#191 - 2012-04-18 20:11:12 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion



Yup Roll


Yup, except I really think it shouldn't be totally nerfed TBH just 10% nerfed like Incursion payout & Bounties Roll
Are there any other ISK fountains that are going untouched?


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#192 - 2012-04-18 20:35:16 UTC
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


[/thread]

Mods, please lock for lack of OP content and OP trolling naow, kthxbai.

Ni.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#193 - 2012-04-18 20:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Make incursion sites nerfed, but in this way:

Get rid of sites respawning all the time.
Make invasion last one day, from downtime to downtime, then sanshas will withdraw "with slaves in their cargo".
At least it have to be "hit and run" tactic.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#194 - 2012-04-18 21:24:57 UTC
[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Kirell]I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them

Anyways

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's

[/quote

And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them

The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space

Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best[/quote

Wspace = safest space.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#195 - 2012-04-18 22:20:16 UTC
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#196 - 2012-04-18 22:47:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#197 - 2012-04-18 23:27:41 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?


I too like to have real number
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#198 - 2012-04-18 23:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?


http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpg
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#199 - 2012-04-18 23:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?


http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms

That is the number of people who LIVE in wormholes.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#200 - 2012-04-19 00:57:46 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
seany1212 wrote:


Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"


Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners )

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?


http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html


where is incursion runner number???