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CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVE RYONE equally

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#161 - 2012-04-17 20:41:54 UTC
Cleansing the thread won't cleanse the butthurt from their soul. Now just remove them from empire completely.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#162 - 2012-04-17 22:19:54 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,


Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm

So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that.


Actually I want to see the ISK faucet there ( blue loot ) to be equally cut 10% just as all other bounties & payouts which CCP Soundwave says needs to be done. Fewer peeps participate in W-space then incursions yet they are an eqaully sized ISK faucet plus on top of the NPC buy orders they are making larger bank in nano ribbons. Theres more logic to wrap your mind around.
Beyond that is Escalation & Inferno just about balancing? I see maybe 2 additions ( a de/buf status bar & Char customization ) that are not nerfs. When was the last time W-Space was shaken up anyways?
Isn't Inferno supposed to be a WAR expansion? What war mechanics are affecting the J-space?


I would agree with you IF wormholes were as risk-free as incursions.

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."

No trolling please
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#163 - 2012-04-17 23:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#164 - 2012-04-17 23:42:36 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS

Risk reward balance.

Now HTFU and stop bumping this terrible excuse for a thread.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#165 - 2012-04-18 00:50:25 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS


You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it. In order to get this isk faucet going, you need to do multiple cap escalations. This means it's not done by some daytripper scanning himself a wormhole from high sec. This is done by DEDICATED wormhole corps, who risk losing their entire fleet everytime they warp into an anomoly. I have been on both ends of this, both ganking and being ganked. IIRC, this isn't much of an issue in most incursions.

The only problem I see with it being the same exact amount is that you get too much isk doing incursions with very little risk. They should cut the amount of isk you make from incursions. Then it will be balanced.

No trolling please
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#166 - 2012-04-18 01:05:51 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS


Do you seriously consider high sec incursions to be as risky as wormholes? Have you ever been into whiskey space?

I'm viewing this as you simply throwing a massive hissey fit since the news that there will be changes to incursions and it's pretty sad.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#167 - 2012-04-18 01:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS

or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh to counter inflation
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#168 - 2012-04-18 01:32:21 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:

or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh


Exactly. He is comparing wh anoms with incursions like they are on equal ground.

Incursions are like playing tug o' war with a 3 year old.

Escalated wormhole anoms are like stuffing your divesuit full of chopped up fish and jumping into a sea full of sharks, at night.

No trolling please
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#169 - 2012-04-18 02:41:35 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:

You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it.




Nope I mean neither Escalation nor Inferno did 1 thing to affect WH space HI/LO/NULL all are getting major facelifts. Not 1 thing to shake up J-Space... the rest of the sandbox is getting a shake up & CCP is ignoring wormholers
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#170 - 2012-04-18 02:42:22 UTC
worm holes no need nerf swiss cheese is da bomb

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Olivia Hume
Perkone
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-04-18 02:50:51 UTC
The isk/h of cap escalation is not that high. I don't have precise numbers, but they might generate 600 mil each, you can usually run 2 per hours and needs 7 accounts (2 carriers, 2 dreads, 2 webbers and a scout - but you usually have more people running them). that's 140mi/h per account with perfect number of players when you can run some..

But cap escalation are limited ressources. You can only escalate anoms in your home system and you usually have between 0 to 5 anoms to run everyday. You can spend days or weeks without anoms to run. Compare that to incursions, farmed 24/7. Cap escalation are not a reliable source of income for a good size corp.

You can reroll your static to find anoms to run in other system, but it's quite difficult to beat the ish/h of high security incursion that way.

Also, escalation are run with carriers and dreads which are difficult to bring or to build in w-space and which you need to commit for 5 minutes cycles. Even if you notice a fleet getting ready to jump on you, you will first need to drop siege and triage and kill the battleship sleepers that scram and neut your fleet.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#172 - 2012-04-18 02:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
Incursions are like shooting sleeping fish in a barrel with a 50 caliber machine gun.
Wormhole Sleeper sites are like... not that easy.

There, I have now shamefully indulged DarthNefarius in his abhorrent weepfest.
Patrick Estemaire
Cosmic Puppet Theatre
#173 - 2012-04-18 03:16:24 UTC
DarthNefarius has already gone three days of posting the same argument over and over again. No amount of sensibility and facts are going to convince him.
Olivia Hume
Perkone
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-04-18 03:16:32 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.


Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#175 - 2012-04-18 03:29:06 UTC
Olivia Hume wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.


Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.


those bears will never accept that reasoning, all they inject in the system is raw isk
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#176 - 2012-04-18 03:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Olivia Hume wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.


Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.


I pretty much agree with you there. There is Concord LP and the MOM ship BPC's but it is pityfull. I would like to see Random drops & a rework maybe in a new type of incursions ( say a sleeper incursion that drops nano ribbons or a Drone incursion with Moon goo drops instead of alloys)

I've also suggested that Concord LP stores should have 10% implants that cost 2.5 billion ISK and 500k LP so that they become a true ISK sink.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#177 - 2012-04-18 04:01:24 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."



CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS

or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh to counter inflation


and remove tech moons.

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#178 - 2012-04-18 07:38:09 UTC
Removing tech moons might have undesirable consequences.

One of them could be running out of materials to build modules and ships. I don't like your idea for this reason.

.
Kirell
Treasure Hunter Enterprises
#179 - 2012-04-18 08:34:45 UTC
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#180 - 2012-04-18 09:19:44 UTC
Kirell wrote:
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.


in anything lower than C5, half of your income come from nano or more, above C5, gl farming in peace