Wormholes

Ummm it is injecting the same amount of ISK into EVE as Incursions are so no I am not exagerating. Same amount of players are doing them as incursions & WH palyers are making much more bank in ribbons on top of the blue loot.

-OK I agree granted there is ALOT more investment time in WHs NO ARGUEMENT THERE!! But NULL SEC too has that investment time & they are getting screwed in the drone regions... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :)
-Believe it or not Incursions have a big BURN OUT FACTOR TOO.
- Remeber not all incursions are HI SEC incursions & especially lo sec incursions should not be seeing these nerfs too
-Why are WH residents not participating in the reduction of ISK faucets?!?!?! again: ... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :)
- I STILL HOLD THAT : The WH peeps have been sheltered too long though IMHO they got thier game down now & the ISK infusions are unnecessary anymore

Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE.

Ummm no it can't you are talking about something else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascot_cap


okay, yes, blue loot DOES give out good ISK, great even. Yes, Nano-Ribbons sell for a lot. but you have to remember that if you're seriously doing Wormholes, you're doing it in a null-sec PVP environment WITHOUT local, where with no warning you can get a fleet or a bomb dropped on you (unless you're super diligent at D Scan and they weren't cloaked before dropping on you, AND Sleepers aren't warp disrupting you from 150km out). That raises the risk.

ADDITIONALLY, any serious attempt at playing with EVE's holes (lots of fun to be had playing in various holes) generally requires a POS for Ship Maintenance Arrays and Corp Hangars (Orca doesn't really cut it unless you're just probing the hole gently for a few hours), which requires fuel. Add the fact that you can no longer make PI fuel and have to import blocks (or at the very least ice products if you hit the jackpot of planets), and that anything less than a Large Tower generally isn't that worth it. Then you have to get ammo, additional ships, etc into the wormhole and to the POS without getting blown up.

And if that's not bad enough, if you get podded you better hope there's someone in the hole with scan probes that can get you back in because otherwise you are ******. BAck in K-space and the nearest entrance wormhole to your hole might be 40+ jumps away--if there IS one that day (C4s+ are generally buried 1 WH deep inside W space IIRC--ie no direct connection to K space, you need to go through WHs to get to K space--could be wrong on the Class number where it generally starts though).

so yeah, next time that you run incursions protected by CONCORD with your shiny ships, with a clone bay system two jumps away and a station hangar in which to put any loot/spare ammo in the system.....please continue raging against the blue tags and nano ribbons that the serious wormholers are getting.

I'm SURE CCP is listening.

Could as in should. English is not my first nor second tongue

babby upset over the vanguard nerf wags his finger at the infinitely more risky forms of isk making in the game

sometimes i think the people going on about nerfing wormholes have never actually gone throught he proccesses of actually doing stuff in said wormholes.

Wormholes have built in checks and balances such as hard farming depleting systems and the inherent risk in operating in the most dangerous space in eve while juggling logistic hurdles that make all but the most dedicated fold. The income from these ventures is spread over a multitude and is well earned by the sheer effort put in.

Incursions on the other hand are the epitome of reward without risk, purposefully exploited to a maximum degree while mitigating risk to the point where inflation is tangible as the only goal becomes extreme wealth accumulation for a narrow band of players who are fine with broken mechanics as long as they benefit and continue to perpetuate an air of exclusivisity. This has created a culture of entitlement even more dangerous than the cartels that control the vast sums of moon wealth in the game.

The difference is effort and risk, incursions are about neither and about maintaining this broken mechanic at all cost. At least major moon holders readily admit its broken and seek a fix while having worked towards their goal and maintaining it. The drone nerf has been also needed as a solution as it made mining worthless along with gun mining in highsec.

Your lp is worthless because your mechanics are worthless, too much reward, too much supply, too much saturation coupled with greed equals poor ratios. You are deluded and deserve quite more to fix this broken feature.

The main difference between incursions and WHs is the fact that there is no local, meaning that anyone can come in and whack your knackers off.

The only risk coming with incursions is pilot failure (Wrong trigger, stupid Logi) and massive blackbird squads, which can be avoided if seen coming (Dscan is a LOVELY tool). Whereas anything can happen to you while running sites in a WH. I know I've personally stalked a system for a week just to kill a noctis.

About the sleeper neuts:
They were originally meant to neut, but were broken for 1.5 years+ until they fixed it.

Also don't forget to nerf mining, they might actually make some money off the increasing mineral prices.