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Scarlet Letters and Botters

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Udonor
Doomheim
#561 - 2012-04-13 05:48:40 UTC
Plus I think posting toon names of offenders does NOT impede progress to reformed citizen.

RL such stigma does however often lead to special groups.

Such toons might well need to locate other offenders to form new corps.

Carebears might even offer to set up HALFWAY HOUSE type corps where a few parole officers monitor their behavior over 6 months to a year. As graduation gift they get special public award.

Heck CCP might even have its staff players CEO a few of these HALFWAY HOUSE corps to make sure they don't get griefed too badly nor go rogue and to add soem weight to the reformed sticker.


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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#562 - 2012-04-13 10:49:03 UTC
Ok guys I haven't forgotten about this thread. I'm going to start going through all 120000 pages over the next couple of days. <3

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Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#563 - 2012-04-13 10:52:28 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ok guys I haven't forgotten about this thread. I'm going to start going through all 120000 pages over the next couple of days. <3


Please, may I draw special attention to those posts made by the player-run businesses/investments - as they're among the most directly endangered by unknowingly interacting with botters.

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#564 - 2012-04-13 11:00:27 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ok guys I haven't forgotten about this thread. I'm going to start going through all 120000 pages over the next couple of days. <3


Please, may I draw special attention to those posts made by the player-run businesses/investments - as they're among the most directly endangered by unknowingly interacting with botters.


You could but I'm going to read every post in the thread equally anyway.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#565 - 2012-04-13 11:03:17 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
You could but I'm going to read every post in the thread equally anyway.


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wiskyjack
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#566 - 2012-04-13 11:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: wiskyjack
How about this.

Dont ban them, put a marker on them that would allow them to be ganked and you would not be insta poped by concord. Of course we would not be able to see this marker, turning the kill into a roulette game.

It would make things interesting
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#567 - 2012-04-13 11:45:12 UTC
wiskyjack wrote:
How about this.

Dont ban them, put a marker on them that would allow them to be ganked and you would not be insta poped by concord. Of course we would not be able to see this marker, turning the kill into a roulette game.

It would make things interesting

I think a marker (unknown to the botter) for the first day would be "fun"... Then allow CCP's normal disciplinary routine to take over. I also only think that this would really only work in hi-sec. Lvl 4 & mining bots would then be a lot less popular...


As a side note, allowing players to pop them is far more enjoyable than /graphpron....

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I personally hate bots, but if CCP can turn someone around and get $/month from them, more power to you.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#568 - 2012-04-13 12:56:00 UTC
Someone brought up this idea before. I really liked it and it makes complete sense. 1st offense, they get a warning. At this point they are given a chance to reform. 2nd offense, they are given a warning and tagged for all to see as a known botter. If they were already warned once then they are likely not to ever change their habits anyway and at this point it is good for the rest of the player base to know who they are dealing with. 3rd offense, ban, obviously.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#569 - 2012-04-13 13:01:52 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Someone brought up this idea before. I really liked it and it makes complete sense. 1st offense, they get a warning. At this point they are given a chance to reform. 2nd offense, they are given a warning and tagged for all to see as a known botter. If they were already warned once then they are likely not to ever change their habits anyway and at this point it is good for the rest of the player base to know who they are dealing with. 3rd offense, ban, obviously.



If you really want to do something put a one year tag at the first offence and perma ban at second. Why give a second try?
So he can bot until he gets caught at the first one?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#570 - 2012-04-13 13:53:45 UTC
CCP Sreggs, when you remove botted assets, just what do you remove? ISK? Stuff?

Who do you remove it from? Anyone other than pilots owned by the botter? How far do you "follow the ISK" before you remove it?

I can see botters and RMTers doing all sorts of stuff to try to launder the money. Fake scams, buying trit for 1 million a unit, buying a ship and abandoning it in space, and so on. Do you follow all this and try and take the ISK from the player who ends up with the value from the illegal activity?


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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#571 - 2012-04-13 16:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Sounds like an excellent idea. I'm all for it and most if not all of my reasons have already been listed from a brief glance at other postings.

In short, Do it. Smile

edit:

[quote="Asuri Kinnes"}I personally hate bots, but if CCP can turn someone around and get $/month from them, more power to you.[/quote]

okay, I have to respond to this. Really don't like the activity of botting, but I understand that many of these players are just impatient or young players who couldn't be invested to make their ISK through more legitimate means. There is no reason as I see it that they should be banned permanently as a result of this. If they want to quit out of shear frustration from actually having to work for their ISK that's fine, but it's something they'll have to decide for themselves after this.

Also, having such a "Scarlet Letter" may actually give them some insight into how offended people are getting by their activities. If they can't deal with that either, then so be it, but as I said they should at the least have the choice to learn from their mistakes rather than repeat them. Not being able to legally sell the offending toons is good too.

There are other benefits to this for CCP too, but I'd be remise to give them away.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#572 - 2012-04-13 17:07:05 UTC
:-)

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Kevin Kliner
QQ Continuum
#573 - 2012-04-13 17:55:24 UTC
Really bad idea. I revived a ban, despite never botting and if CCP does something like this, I won't be playing anymore. I'm not going to put up with players harassing me for a mark I got due to GM lacking the competence to understand how sentry drones and aggro mechanics work.
Darex Nidor
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#574 - 2012-04-13 18:14:25 UTC
Caught on botting, instant biomass.
Iskawa Zebrut
Smoke to Train - Train to Smoke
#575 - 2012-04-14 02:54:54 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
The reason why I am against the scarlet letter, is that if a player is wrongly accused then the damage is already done - even if CCP later reverses the scarlet letter. People know on the forums, and your reputation is potentially shot. At least with bans, CCP can reverse the ban, restore lost items, reimburse with ISK, get free game time, etc... without causing any lasting damage.

Unless an opposite "Viridant Letter" is placed on false positives. An explicit "this person was marked by mistake".
Josef Djugashvilis
#576 - 2012-04-14 22:53:36 UTC
I have not read all the responses to this thread, so forgive me if my suggestion has been posted before.
As I understand it, anyone caught doing naughty stuff may find their wallet negative by some billions of isk. Surely most folk in this situation would simply quit Eve.
So, what about if they were to be taxed on everything they do, say at 50% by CCP until the debt is cleared. This would enable said naughty player to function in Eve, but at the same time they would have to repay their debt to the game.
Visible Scarlett Letter would, in my view make the players life in Eve so unbearable that he/she would probably quit Eve. Not a good financial result for CCP.

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wiskyjack
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#577 - 2012-04-14 23:18:38 UTC
Or this

If cought botting, all items not in use are deleted but the current market value and the contents of there wallet( to a negative balance of 100 million isk) are spread out to all players. And they serve a 14 day ban. This I strike one

Strike two.

As above, but they are biomassed in place of ban.
Desparo
Oberon Incorporated
#578 - 2012-04-15 00:11:35 UTC
Okay I'm all for the use scarlet letters.

NOT because I think that it will help prevent macro'ing or help reform those caught but because I'm hearing nasty rumors that in CCP's drive to remove bots they are unfairly punishing innocent victims in the process. If there is even a remote chance this is true then I don't want to be anywhere in site of CCP's banning and isk penalty hammer. And I doubt anyone else does either.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#579 - 2012-04-15 04:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Desparo wrote:
Okay I'm all for the use scarlet letters.

NOT because I think that it will help prevent macro'ing or help reform those caught but because I'm hearing nasty rumors that in CCP's drive to remove bots they are unfairly punishing innocent victims in the process. If there is even a remote chance this is true then I don't want to be anywhere in site of CCP's banning and isk penalty hammer. And I doubt anyone else does either.


There is a big issue about rumors of CCP banning non-botters: Who made the reports of the bans? After all people who do bad things have been known to lie.

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Keep it Hard
#580 - 2012-04-16 01:23:22 UTC
im waiting to see the list of names. and decide for myself if i want to trust them with corp assets ....





i decided already if they release the names i wouldn't let them join corp

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