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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#761 - 2012-04-13 10:34:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Read the post on the previous page again.


Why would anyone have non-tanked travel fit Orca on grid when mining? T3 with mining links off-grid? Lol.
That has to be worst use for Blingu.


Because you want to get the Orca off the grid when you see gankers on D-scan, and an Orca with an MWD can't fit gang links?

I thought it was pretty obvious, personally.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#762 - 2012-04-13 10:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Mara Rinn wrote:
Because you want to get the Orca off the grid when you see gankers on D-scan, and an Orca with an MWD can't fit gang links?

I thought it was pretty obvious, personally.


Does Blingu give bigger mining bonuses compared to T2 linked Orca? That ship would be better for running level 4s at the same time. Higher isk/hr.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#763 - 2012-04-13 10:40:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


But yes, it'd be fun to see statistics about how many more mining ships get popped per day compared to pre-destroyers buff + T3 BCs introduction. I guess there are some, else I would not be always empty of 'nados BPCs to sell.


I'd say around the same when you take population growth into account. Tornadoes fill the roll of tempests and cost more given that you no longer get insurance.


Well I don't see such a big population increase to justify the rise of BPC requests. Yes I also have Tempest BPO, it was not so hot.

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July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#764 - 2012-04-13 10:50:09 UTC
When I read the first page of this thread I was like: " yeah, the Hulk could use some extra PG and CPU to get to 50k ehp." But after reading more, I realized that some miners really don't get it.

Use a Orca boosted BS or a tanked Hulk, if you are lazy. Fly a max Yield Hulk,if you know what you're doing. A T2 fit, with one single Shield link gives you 40k ehp

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#765 - 2012-04-13 12:34:05 UTC
Perhaps with the Tiercide CCP will also look at the mining ships?

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Alara IonStorm
#766 - 2012-04-13 12:35:47 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Perhaps with the Tiercide CCP will also look at the mining ships?

That is what I am hoping for TBH.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#767 - 2012-04-13 12:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
July Oumis wrote:
When I read the first page of this thread I was like: " yeah, the Hulk could use some extra PG and CPU to get to 50k ehp." But after reading more, I realized that some miners really don't get it.

Use a Orca boosted BS or a tanked Hulk, if you are lazy. Fly a max Yield Hulk,if you know what you're doing. A T2 fit, with one single Shield link gives you 40k ehp

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A simple T2 fit it's at worst 2 cycles for a gank 720 T2 hotwizer Hurricane. 1 Volley for a simple Tornado. 2 Volley for a single T1 fitted Neutron Talos.

If you wanted to demonstrate there are lazy unskilled gankers, you just won.

If you wanted somehow to show Mining barges are ok, you just failed.

And yes Hulk should be able to fit at least 80k EHP without pimp or sacrifice cargo/mining upgrades, align faster than a shield Brutix but it doesn't.
I just had a few lols this week watching a ex ganker (lol irl I assure you) trying to warp out of the belt when I just got there with my completely unfitted Ferox, well had a cargo scanner for lols and make that one wet his pants.
Before he was able to warp out in his ubber tanked Hulk, I could have killed him at least 10 or 15 times if no concord. (or a single one with a T1 neutrons Talos)

It's funny how people that never mine or haven't mined for ages bring lol Hulk fits when they don't have a clue about it and only show how bad they are at ganking.

Mining barges need a serious EHP buff, if you want to gank those for profit then you must choose your target wisely, if you want to gank those for lols then you should use more isk in set ups than the hulk price, not the stupid bad design that is right now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#768 - 2012-04-13 13:00:27 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
And yes Hulk should be able to fit at least 80k EHP without pimp or sacrifice cargo/mining upgrades, align faster than a shield Brutix but it doesn't.
No, it really shouldn't.
Whitehound
#769 - 2012-04-13 13:02:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
And yes Hulk should be able to fit at least 80k EHP without pimp or sacrifice cargo/mining upgrades, align faster than a shield Brutix but it doesn't.
No, it really shouldn't.

Yes, it should. It does not change much, but only stops a few gankers.

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#770 - 2012-04-13 13:07:06 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


As for all this whining about hulk not having enough tank, or not being agile enough, or simply not being survivable enough for the play style that has grown around it, tough *******. The messaging from CCP Soundwave is that CCP don't give a damn about people who enjoy mining as a form of relaxation. If you enjoy mining as a relaxing thing to do in EVE Online, cancel your subscriptions and let CCP know why. As the Summer of Rage/Incarna Riots showed, CCP will not listen to your complaints (what you say), but they will listen to enough of you unsubscribing (what you do).



Word.

And if anything, Low-sec has it worse than High Sec. They live in the shadow of Null Sec. And anything that could be given to them is instead handed to Null-Sec/Wormhole Space instead.

They have all the disadvantages(except not being smashed by Titans for LOLs) and no advantages.

Cause giving them anything would stack all the benefits to Null Sec a little less high.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#771 - 2012-04-13 13:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
Yes, it should.
No, because then you have an industrial resource ship that outtanks and outflies pretty much everything else of a similar size, even the ships that are specialised in outflying and outtanking other ships in combat, and it can do this without any kind of sacrifice.

Anyone who makes that kind of boneheaded demand has exactly zero concept of balance. Try getting one before making foolish demands because if you don't, then you only ever manage to prove that your complaint is ridiculous and nothing will happen. So no, it should be able to do exactly none of what was listed, and that's before we even go into the fact that there is exactly zero reason why it should.

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It does not change much, but only stops a few gankers.
It already can.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#772 - 2012-04-13 13:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Ai Shun wrote:
Jorma Amatin wrote:
Also, try to AVOID the more populous mining systems. Because you have so many in local, you can't accurately use d-scan to check for gank-built ships (catalysts, tornados, hurricanes, etc). Also when people know they can count on hulks or covetors to sit almost afk, it really makes it attractive.

By the way the hulk's tank is compromised because the hardware is dedicated for the strip miners and ore processing. If you want a damn tank then go fit mining laser IIs on a Rokh and use that instead.


Have your second like.



wth I said that like 4 times now lol

Montevius Williams wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?


Too be fair, the iteron was never meant to be used in hostile environments. The hulk is designed for mining in hostile envrionments, as stated in the description. You really cant compare them.



that contrasts directly with what tippia and other have said that its NOT meant to be flown in combat areas but Id have to log in to look

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Whitehound
#773 - 2012-04-13 13:26:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No, because then you have an industrial resource ship that outtanks and outflies pretty much everything else of a similar size ...

Wrong. A tank alone does not decide over victory or defeat.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#774 - 2012-04-13 13:31:33 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No, because then you have an industrial resource ship that outtanks and outflies pretty much everything else of a similar size ...
Wrong.
Maybe you should read the quote that started it all before you knee-jerk-post your answer.

You just said that Tanya didn't write what Tanya wrote, because that's exactly what such a ship would do — in fact, that's exactly what (s)he asked for: “Hulk should be able to fit at least 80k EHP without pimp or sacrifice cargo/mining upgrades, align faster than a shield Brutix”. No, it is not “wrong” that a ship that, with 80k EHP and faster align than a shield Brutix will outtank and outfly pretty much anything else of a similar size. Try again. Try reading this time. Also, try thinking before you post.

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A tank alone does not decide over victory or defeat.
Straw man. That was never the issue.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#775 - 2012-04-13 13:31:57 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


In short: an industrial pilot in hisec has to behave exactly as if they were in low sec, with the disadvantage of not being allowed to shoot first.


how much dps that Hulk gonna do?

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Whitehound
#776 - 2012-04-13 13:34:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Maybe you should ...

No. I just put you back on ignore for another day. I will not take advise from you after you posted another false assumption of what should and should not be. I am not going to tell you either what you should or should not do.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#777 - 2012-04-13 13:37:06 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No, because then you have an industrial resource ship that outtanks and outflies pretty much everything else of a similar size ...

Wrong. A tank alone does not decide over victory or defeat.

Then there's zero argument for giving a hulk 80k ehp like you're defending.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#778 - 2012-04-13 13:37:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Patrick Estemaire wrote:


This. While a noob might mine right in busy systems, to make it easier on a ganker to find them, the wisdom comes quick enough to mine out in the middle of nowhere. I'd certainly think that someone who's flown a mining cruiser, then a Retty, would have figured that lesson out by the time they are buying a Hulk.


Jorma Amatin wrote:
Also, try to AVOID the more populous mining systems. Because you have so many in local, you can't accurately use d-scan to check for gank-built ships (catalysts, tornados, hurricanes, etc). Also when people know they can count on hulks or covetors to sit almost afk, it really makes it attractive.



I am curious about your stance on Mackinaws. They make Hulk sound sturdy yet they HAVE to sit in overcrowded, easy to find belts.


dont mine ice

hey thats a hard one

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#779 - 2012-04-13 13:49:50 UTC
wth is tieracide and where can I read what CCP is saying about it? I tried Gioogling it but all Im coming up with are posts on EVE-O

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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#780 - 2012-04-13 13:52:48 UTC
I think the hulk needs boosting a bit, but also, that mining actually needs a new sort of ship for miners, given that what happens every year, you'd think ORE would have figured out a new ship for miners by now right.

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