Ships & Modules

I know, but the new players don't.

Also, what you say it's not entirely true. After I made my carrier, I am slowly training my supercarrier stuff because I want one to go d!ck around. I feel a drive to progression which maybe is not exactly "WoW" but it's still a quest for progression.

Likewise I have industry characters, I'll train them to be able to fly a Rorqual, because that's the "end game" for them. It's not like I can train the other industry skills to VI or VII anyway. (Yes my industry characters already can fly L4 and have combat skills for PvP).

But then you'd have a chance of getting away, and the gankers wouldn't have free kills

On a related note, Rapiers get caught and blasted out of space all the time.

What gives a successful Rapeir pilot the edge he needs to not be one of those piles a scrap?

1: A survivable fit that still allows him to perform his role. *Note: This does not mean fit to maximize his webbing ability to the exclusion of all else.

2: Being an alert and situationally aware pilot that knows when to get the hell out.

These same factors apply to any ship in the game, including Hulks.

Indeed.

Although I have one point to make about the Griffin vs Falcon observation.

Skill wise yes, you likely wish to progress to the point where you can fly the Falcon.

This does not necessarily mean that you would always fly it instead of the Griffin, say in the case of joining a frigate roam (where a Falcon would only serve to slow down the group as a whole, or when the goal is to eventually die a cheap death while inflicting as large a loss on others as possible).

Options are good, they allow you to choose the right tool for the job.

In the context of this discussion, it allows you the choice of knowing when its okay to fly your Hulk vs. when the wiser course of action would be to fly a Coveter instead.

I do read what you write. It seems to me that you are trying to avoid my point, but why? Unless you want to tell me will I however not care why you do this. In the end is it irrelevant to the people who say that a ship of 300m ISKs is too expensive. It is an opinion one needs to respect.

Read the devblogs. CCP has stated a few times that changes were made to address the prices of items.

Really? How many strip miners can you fit on your Iteron? ..and how long do you have to park it the belt to do it's job? There are better and more tank beefy alternatives to the iteron - not so with the hulk. Clearly it's tank is not respectable enough as it appears nothing but gank bait with no teeth for most non miners with a grudge - and iterons, though gankable, are still hit far less.

Better insurance options for the hulk would be welcome but not necessary, a small boost to survival would be nice; why not improve it some? This is after all "the best mining vessel in the game".

Sorry, the post is entirely correct. Acquiring gear is not a goal, but means.



No, of course, but not because I want to own a Falcon, but because Falcon is a better tool fo achieving my goals.

The amount of strip miners you can fit to it does not change the fact that we're talking about industry ships and that the cost is quite irrelevant as far as determining what you can and cannot fit onto that ship.

Because there's no real reason to do so. Any boost in survivability it might need could be achieved by people starting to tank their ships instead of eroding away all their hitpoints with various mods that weaken the ship.

…unless you're a collector, in which case fits and performance become completely secondary tertiary -∞:ary.

They can make any decision they like, but they should accept that it is their decision and stop complaining about the game because just they don't like the decisions they made.

And anyway, the point remains the same: just because they dislike the price point on a specific item doesn't mean that item needs to be buffed, nerfed, or otherwise balanced. It means they should stop buying the item in question until it comes down in price to where they think it's worth it.

No. They changed the price to match the performance; they didn't change the performance to match the price or to balance the ship, because price is not a factor in determining performance and dictating balance.

You keep confusing cause and effect, factor and result.