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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#281 - 2012-04-11 17:47:32 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:

And what would happen if you did not got tier3 BCs?

well then it would be even more of a nerf but i tend to make it rain brutixes and thoraxes and save the alphaing for when it's just going to be incredibly satisfying: and in that case i don't care about an extra 30m
Adunh Slavy
#282 - 2012-04-11 17:49:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Oh it's the players that are at fault
Since it's the player who chooses to make himself easier to kill, and then complain about how easy he is to kill, yes. It is 100% the idiot's fault.


So why does the ganker get a security status penalty, he should be blameless, right?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#283 - 2012-04-11 17:49:48 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:


CCP just ignored (as usual) the influence on Industrials and Miners (as CCP hate Indutrials and Miners, we all know it).


Because CCP never stopped insurance payouts for concorded ships...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#284 - 2012-04-11 17:51:15 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

this is why miners are so hilarious to kill

since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods

during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks


Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone.

Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy.

its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators

highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them



personally if you are in a noob corp longer then 30 days you should be forced into a npc corp that can be war decced...

and if you want to kill a high sec minner you should war dec the person/corp and then kill him in a legit mannor...

or get enough ships together to effectivly bloop him... like 4 nadoes so the cost ratio is atleast half of a hulk...

kinda ironic thats its goons who complained to ccp about titans bloping thier maels/drakes when they are blobing hulks left right and center(using simular broken mechanics)...

I just think its hypocritical to complain about titans bloping drakes and then complain about people complaining about hulks being bloped...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Adunh Slavy
#285 - 2012-04-11 17:52:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

So its not the pilots fault for not tanking their ship?


Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#286 - 2012-04-11 17:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Adunh Slavy wrote:
So why does the ganker get a security status penalty, he should be blameless, right?
What on earth are you on about? Why should he be blameless?

He gets the sec status penalty because he chooses to.

The Hulk player is at fault for being easy to kill because he chooses to be easy to kill. What's confusing you about this very simple relationship?

Quote:
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?
How is it not the player's fault if he chooses not to tank his ship?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#287 - 2012-04-11 17:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?


I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#288 - 2012-04-11 17:55:28 UTC
Mystrak wrote:
No. The orca is under the capital ships section.
…and it requires no capital skills; no capital arrays; and CCP lists it in their ship charts as a “large” ship, together with the battleships (and, incidentally, the freighters). So no, the Orca isn't really a capship — the Rorqual is.[/quote]
If it would be listed as BS (which it isn't INGAME) .. WHY doesn't it has the same amount of slots, CPU, PG as any other BS size ship?

Min 6 high, as shield tanker min 7 mid, min 4 lows and anough CPU+PG to fit a common BS fit: (oh and base cap, shield, cap recharg, shield recharge on par with BS ... not just some gimped T1 frig stats!!!)
- 2* LSE
- 1*XL-Boost
- 2*Hardener
- MWD
- Survey Scanner (as it has the bonus)
- DC
- 3*gank link
- 3* tractor (as it has the bonus)
- 3 lows for whatever people want
using T2 moduls .. NOT super expensive officer/dead space stuff!

Mael = 5-6-8
my Orca = 4-7-6 still 2 less slots then a BS

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#289 - 2012-04-11 17:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jojo Jackson wrote:
If it would be listed as BS (which it isn't INGAME) .. WHY doesn't it has the same amount of slots, CPU, PG as any other BS size ship?
For the same reason the Hulk doesn't have the same amount of slots, CPU, PG as any other BC-sized ship.

I can't be bothered to scrub through 80 hours of fanfest video, but it's in one of the presentations about ship iterations — they show the full chart for ORE and industrial ships (which they didn't include in the blog), and the Orca apparently doesn't qualify as capital, just like what the skill reqs and (lack of) usage limitations would suggest.
Adunh Slavy
#290 - 2012-04-11 17:58:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Adunh Slavy wrote:
So why does the ganker get a security status penalty, he should be blameless, right?

What on earth are you on about? Why should he be blameless?


You said it was the victims fault 100%? Is there some sliver above 100% that I am unaware of? Shall we check your math? 100% seems pretty absolute to me, how about you?


Tippia wrote:

He gets the sec status penalty because he chooses to.

The Hulk player is at fault for being easy to kill because he chooses to be easy to kill. What's confusing you about this very simple relationship?

Quote:
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?
How is it not the player's fault if he chooses not to tank his ship?



And your equivocation and huburis is exposed. Thanks for playing.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Adunh Slavy
#291 - 2012-04-11 17:59:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?


I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed.



Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#292 - 2012-04-11 17:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Tippia wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
If it would be listed as BS (which it isn't INGAME) .. WHY doesn't it has the same amount of slots, CPU, PG as any other BS size ship?
For the same reason the Hulk doesn't have the same amount of slots, CPU, PG as any other BC-sized ship.

I can't be bothered to scrub through 80 hours of fanfest video, but it's in one of the presentations about ship iterations — they show the full chart for ORE and industrial ships (which they didn't include in the blog), and the Orca apparently doesn't qualify as capital, just like what the skill reqs and (lack of) usage limitations would suggest.

To make it eazy target for gankers?

Again, WTF do I care about some random stuff somewhere out of game?
I too can Photoshop a chart which shows Carriers as "Industrial level Hauler".

Even if CCP list the Orca as BS-size at some random chart -> bug report the wrong ingame listing as "CAPITAL industrial" and request the change to "Battleship industrial".

As long as it is listed INGAME under capital it IS a captial!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#293 - 2012-04-11 18:00:38 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?


I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed.



Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.

yet people fly the hulk in droves, indicating you are once again wrong
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#294 - 2012-04-11 18:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Adunh Slavy wrote:
You said it was the victims fault 100%
Learn to read. Roll
Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this?

Why on earth would that suddenly make the attacker blameless for attacking and not earn him a sec penalty?

Quote:
Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.
…which goes back to the point: why does the Hulk need a buff, since it's obviously so much better than the Covetor that everyone is flying it, rather than what you claim to be an equally good ship?

Jojo Jackson wrote:
To make it eazy target for gankers?
No. To define its role.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#295 - 2012-04-11 18:03:12 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:

So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.


Because High Sec miners tend to mine afk or doing something else at the same time.

Their ships are, for all intents and purposes, in a 0 risk situation -except- when Hulkageddon comes around. They are used to being, for intents and purposes, in a risk free position.

Typically suicide gankers do not target hulks because there is no real value to it.

Since Hulkageddon is, once again, around the corner miners are freaking out.

Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot, you know all the stuff one usually learns quickly in 0.0 or low sec) many will complain about the ship. The ones who don't complain simply fit a tank, pay attention, and continue on. Others dock up and join the festivities. Some buy up hulks in advance and play the market. But there are always those who don't like having to adapt and learn something new so they head to the forums to complain and whine.

They want CCP to compensate for their lack of attention and knowledge for a player run event.

The hulk is a mining ship. It does what it does very well otherwise it wouldn't be used. The hulk isn't meant to be a tanking ship.

I wonder how the forums will react after destroy Jita day (I hope that one will become a regular event as well). Look for the incoming requests for freighter buffs and hauler 'fixes.'
Adunh Slavy
#296 - 2012-04-11 18:05:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Learn to read. Roll
Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this?


Learn not be so overly dramatic with your 100% absolutes.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#297 - 2012-04-11 18:06:21 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?


I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed.



Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.


Because Covetorgeddon doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#298 - 2012-04-11 18:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Tippia wrote:
Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this?

Wrong.

CCP FORCES them to be a victim with gimped slot layouts and fitting stats!

In addition some "you mad bro" loser PvPer chose to pick eazy targets as he was to unskilled to survive real PvP.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#299 - 2012-04-11 18:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Learn not be so overly dramatic with your 100% absolutes.
What's dramatic about it?

Is it, or is it not, the victim who has chosen to make his ship easy to kill?
If it's not the victim, please explain how someone managed to change his fit into something he didn't want to use, and how that someone managed to force the victim to undock when he didn't want to.

Jojo Jackson wrote:
Wrong.

CCP FORCES them to be a victim with cimped slot layouts and fitting stats
…except that you can still choose to fit a tank or choose not to, and that decision is 100% yours. No-one else can make it for you. If you choose to not fit a tank, then it is 100% your fault for choosing to make your ship easy to kill.

In addition, you can choose to pick another ship. People choose not to, for some odd reason… but again, that choice is 100% up to you, and you cannot blame anyone else but yourself for your choice.
Adunh Slavy
#300 - 2012-04-11 18:08:32 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:

Because Covetorgeddon doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.



That I can buy

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt