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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Prince Kobol
#201 - 2012-04-11 16:19:23 UTC
bornaa wrote:
Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.

I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.


Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from?

Just making up random numbers again?

Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish.
bornaa
GRiD.
#202 - 2012-04-11 16:19:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. Roll
Jita is the pretty much the standard point of comparison since it's where the market moves the fastest towards the current equilibrium, and since it's objectively true for, and available to, everyone.

If you want to use some other non-standard data for comparison, provide sources and links.



http://eve-central.com

See damnation price in like Rens or Amarr - and you cant say they don't follow the trend.
and all other prices are there.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
bornaa
GRiD.
#203 - 2012-04-11 16:20:48 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.

I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.


Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from?

Just making up random numbers again?

Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish.



No, i don't give random data.
Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Prince Kobol
#204 - 2012-04-11 16:23:23 UTC
bornaa wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.

I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.


Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from?

Just making up random numbers again?

Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish.



No, i don't give random data.
Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%.


You said all "combat ships have been boosted by a third" not a class of ships and 1 weapon type were boosted.

Also "25%" and "like 15%" are not a third.

So yeah.. you do come up with random data Big smile
bornaa
GRiD.
#205 - 2012-04-11 16:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Prince Kobol wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.

I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.


Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from?

Just making up random numbers again?

Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish.



No, i don't give random data.
Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%.


You said all "combat ships have been boosted by a third" not a class of ships and 1 weapon type were boosted.

Also "25%" and "like 15%" are not a third.

So yeah.. you do come up with random data Big smile


Yea, i am talking about relevant class of ships and weapon type on dessys that are most used.
And if you look at changes it really is 25% and 15%.
And sorry, its not 33,333% its even more, its 40%. Roll

I am talking with real data in every post here and you can see that they are true and 3,4 of you are attacking me... Ugh
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2012-04-11 16:27:16 UTC
bornaa wrote:

Thats why i said "BC size".

And Ill repeat myself again:

"I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both.

Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. Roll "

I used data from web market site that compare prices between all EVE markets.


And what we're saying is that irrespective of the moving prices and previous highs and lows, a x10 jump between T1 and T2 hull prices is on the low end for a large majority of the ships, it's sometimes much greater.

This means that the point you're claiming that the Cov->Hulk jump of x10 is too much compared to other ships is pretty much flat out wrong.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#207 - 2012-04-11 16:27:45 UTC
bornaa wrote:
http://eve-central.com
Proxy error. So I'll go by the numbers that are easily available — Jita, which is what all the numbers are trending towards anyway.

Quote:
See damnation price in like Rens or Amarr - and you cant say they don't follow the trend.
and all other prices are there.
…and if you pick a specific spot, it's not a good idea to mix-and-match because then you're picking between places that are being affected by speculation and those that aren't. Going for “cheapest in highsec” is good if you're looking to find a deal — it's not a good way of comparing things.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#208 - 2012-04-11 16:30:55 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
What is the max amount of DPS a ganker can do in 0.5 before concord show up?


wonder what that number is

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
seany1212
M Y S T
#209 - 2012-04-11 16:30:57 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Haha. Miners just never stop complaining and crying. They aren't even getting CCPwnd like Incursion runners and gankers - they just crying because they aren't getting the buffs they want.

Let me clue you in.

Generally ships get buffs when they are underutilized. (well, except for Black Ops)
If it was REALLY bad, nobody would fly it.

I don't think you can honestly say that Hulks are underutilized - its one of the most commonly flown ships in the game.
It would be like CCP buffing the Drakes' resists because 'so many of them die'.

The problem isn't with the ship - its with the miners themselves.
Like others said, it can fit 3x Strips and sport 33K EHP, and with Orca support almost 40K.

If you gave it another low slot Twisted - then watch as the vast majority of miners use it for Cargo-Expanders and make their ships even EASIER to kill.


/thread

The high-sec mining world is full of stupid, miners that fit no tank and then cry when they're suicide ganked with a fully supported intended game mechanic, fit a tank, die less to catalysts Roll

I also support the guy that said that high sec mining should only be for new players getting started, there are plenty of low sec station systems out there which are empty most of the time.
bornaa
GRiD.
#210 - 2012-04-11 16:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Tippia wrote:
bornaa wrote:
http://eve-central.com
Proxy error. So I'll go by the numbers that are easily available — Jita, which is what all the numbers are trending towards anyway.

Quote:
See damnation price in like Rens or Amarr - and you cant say they don't follow the trend.
and all other prices are there.
…and if you pick a specific spot, it's not a good idea to mix-and-match because then you're picking between places that are being affected by speculation and those that aren't. Going for “cheapest in highsec” is good if you're looking to find a deal — it's not a good way of comparing things.



Copy paste, don't click it.

And i am goint the way as I go when i buy things and everybody can do it.
And i am picking the best spot for both things I compare so its good statistics data.
You cant compare things, of lets say ores in RL, from one market, one ore is mined 1km from that market and other 20.000km.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#211 - 2012-04-11 16:31:22 UTC
My only problem with a Hulk...

If it is fit for a reasonable tank (solo mind you), it has less yield and less tank than a mining fit BS.
Adunh Slavy
#212 - 2012-04-11 16:39:11 UTC
When exploiters, gankbears and a number of assorted wankers keep arguing for stupid fits and unreasonable "precuations", in an effort to not change a class of ships, you know there is a balance issue.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2012-04-11 16:40:42 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
My only problem with a Hulk...

If it is fit for a reasonable tank (solo mind you), it has less yield and less tank than a mining fit BS.


Can you post that fit? I cant seem to get a BS close to a hulk.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2012-04-11 16:44:42 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
When exploiters, gankbears and a number of assorted wankers keep arguing for stupid fits and unreasonable "precuations", in an effort to not change a class of ships, you know there is a balance issue.


And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#215 - 2012-04-11 16:47:54 UTC
I don't think the Hulk needs any kinda change to the ship other then a slight tweak to the CPU. I'm not sure if that is needed or to make the Mining Upgrade skill lower the CPU amount more then it does. This should shouldn't have to Fit Faction or Dead Space mods just to have a tank.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#216 - 2012-04-11 16:48:04 UTC
bornaa wrote:
Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.

I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.

you're an idiot shut up forever
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-04-11 16:48:12 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

Please tell me you are trolling and are not serious.. please please please


So because you have no data to refute my argument you will resort to ridicule because it shows, in detail, an uncomfortable truth. This ship cannot tank. You can try to buff EHP with a resist tank but unless you throw absolutely everything into tank you cannot do a fit that can survive an attack by a single tornado in a 0.7 or lower system.

The idea that players (not bots) are going to self select to be victims by flying such a ship is absurd. If high sec mining is going to be the source for low end mins, Trit may well hit 20.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#218 - 2012-04-11 16:48:19 UTC
MIrple wrote:
I don't think the Hulk needs any kinda change to the ship other then a slight tweak to the CPU. I'm not sure if that is needed or to make the Mining Upgrade skill lower the CPU amount more then it does. This should shouldn't have to Fit Faction or Dead Space mods just to have a tank.

reset tnt
Adunh Slavy
#219 - 2012-04-11 16:49:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2012-04-11 16:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sycho Pathic
Prince Kobol wrote:
Droxlyn wrote:


Stuff about comparing ships



So now people are saying that CCP should buff the hulk because of the Covetor.


Hulk can mine more, tank a lot more, can carry more cargo, has better resists, has more CPU, has a better capacitor.

Erm.. Hulk is a better ship then a Covetor.

Also do not use price as an argument since its the player base, not CCP that dictates the price.



Get ganked.
Grab another Covetor out of the station.
Back to grabbing ice for the POS/minerals for the industrial stuff.
The "Moar tears! HTFU! Die Carebear! Elite PVP 14 year old" is happy.
Minor inconvenience for me.

Why?

I can lose five fully equipped Covetors for the cost of a single, empty Hulk hull.

Face it. The Hulk is a silly purchase. The benefit/cost ratio is so far out of whack as to render it worthless.