Ships & Modules

…and cost, as always, is not a balancing factor. Again: both are non-combat industrial ships. The hulk is a whole lot more durable than its cousins if you choose to actually tank it (but no-one does, because god forbid that you reduce your yield even a tiny bit to improve on your safety).

The Hulk can fulfil its role just fine while still maintaining a proper tank.

All of them, pretty much. Notice his wording, and then take a look at things like target painters, tracking computers, tracking enhancers, weapon upgrades…

If you want to max out the tank on any ship, your “gun” part will suffer for it.

Cost is not a balancing factor.

In what way is a non-combat ship meant for base industry use with 100k+ EHP balanced?

I don't mind hulk having a weak tank but when you have to baby sit your alt in null not because of players but because of belt rats something is wrong.

Nice strawman. So you agree, then that the hulk is fine since you have to resort to fallacies like this to maintain something that might be mistaken for an argument. Goodie.

Oh, and people using the “safe against null rats” fits in highsec, rather than a fit that would protect them against highsec dangers, is one of the primary reasons hulk ganking caught on, so not only can it be done — it's the genesis.

WRONG

If the Abaddon would be bad you could still chose Geddon or Apoc. If all 3 would be bad you can switch to Minmatar, Caldari or Galente Battleships.

Now ... there is ONE high end mining ship. The Hulk.
You can NOT simply switch to an other ship like combat pilots can.

If there is just ONE ... you use it even if it has real and hardcore problems as there are no alternatives.

It's like the VW Beatle after WW2 or Trabant from DDR.
If there is no alternative people use it even if this cars have ******* bad breaks, ~34 PS only, no airbags, no radio or whatever.

Someone said a Hulk is no good at PvP?

Oreally?

http://youtu.be/ndWUlntJ58U



You can PvP with ANYTHING in this game.........well, anything that can fit an offence.

Stop being so narrow minded....................

Personally I think this is a pointless discussion for the simple reason EVERY SHIP (yeah yeah a Titan can't be ganked.. funny) can be ganked and it has been covered god knows how many times.

Even IF CCP increased the base hulk EHP by a few k, that just translates into 1 more destroyer.

The best way to avoid getting ganked is to spend a couple of hours scouting the system and surrounding system where you want to mine, see who is flying about, talk to other miners.. (yes I know.. talking to other people in a MMO. I must be some crazy nut ) to find out if ganks happen, if they do how often and who are the main culprits.

Use the many on-line tools available to check to see how many kills there has been in the systems and who is doing the killing.

Once you find somewhere you are happy with and have laid the ground work for the intel you need, talk to other miners in local and look out for each other.

Also.. FIT SOME DAMN TANK.

Nothing worse then listening to people ***** and complain that they have been ganked and then you find out they had zero tank and were mining in a system that has a history of ganks.

I usually have 24K EHP before Orca boosts on all my hulks and that is with 3 Modulated Strips miners and a Mining Laser Upgrade II.

You know how many hulks I have lost to ganks.... ZERO

…so in other words, there is no real need to buff the Hulk since there is a viable alternative, and yet the Hulk is the ship everyone uses. In fact, it's one of the most used ships in the game, so it can't be nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

What challenges are those and what buffs would that be? It rather sounds like people are stuck in the gameplay of 2006 and refuse to adapt it to the realities of 2012 (viz. by fitting a tank).

True ..

BUT PvP guys like to whine like sissys "risk v reward".

Using a T1 Destroyer which cost about 15m with guns and w-ups to eazy mode gank a 300m (WITHOUT mods) T2 ship ..

not enough risk for the reward!

It is YOU (wannabe PvPler) who over abuse this "risk v reward"! Not the miners.

After CCP buffed the Destroyer, Projectil and Hybrid guns ... they destroyed any balance for Mining+Industrial ships.

Now they MUST fix this balance problem again (nerf Destroyer+Hybrid+Projectil OR .. better for both sides buff mining+industrial ships).

First off, "bad keylogger link" my ass. Sort your A/V and stop being a tard.

Second, sure, that was pre-alotofthings

Doesn't change a damned thing.

A Hulk, properly skilled with drone and tank skills is perfectly capable of doing low end PvP, just like in that video.

The only things that have changed are the exact fitouts.

Now, that being said, of course any asshat can manage to cobble together an alpha strike ship or team, but I hardly call that PvP.

No sport in it, mate.

Like shooting ducks with nuclear weapons.

Alas, "fair fights" and "1v1" have gone the way of the Albatross, it seems.

Killmail whores only think about the gank, not the actual fun from battle tactics.

What a miserable way to exist, IMHO.