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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-04-11 02:02:42 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it.


No, they simply require people to tank them.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-04-11 02:04:17 UTC
Nura Taron wrote:

Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.


A job which a hulk can do without breaking a sweat.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-04-11 02:04:37 UTC
I think the hulk is actually a bit overpowered. It has too many low slots.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Fish Hunter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-11 02:11:38 UTC
Why does everyone say its an industrial ship then forget Deep Space Transports can have over 75k ehp and still have a decent amount of cargo room. 75k ehp is more than a untanked cargo expanded orca
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#25 - 2012-04-11 02:12:16 UTC
so this is mega hulk maxed skills with a tengu running links with heat on give you just over 100k ehp its stupid expensive to even think about it but i guess it can be done...


[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System

Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Medium Shield Extender II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-04-11 02:14:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.

Would you consider the Bustard overpowered then? I believe it can fit an LSE while not being a combat ship but a tanky transport. It provides in my opinion a better comparison to the hulk than the iteron series as it is also a tech 2 version of a non-combat, dedicated purpose hull.
Nura Taron
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-11 02:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nura Taron
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:

Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.


A job which a hulk can do without breaking a sweat.

Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank other ships of its size need.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-04-11 02:23:58 UTC
Nura Taron wrote:

Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.


In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort.
Adunh Slavy
#29 - 2012-04-11 02:29:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort.



Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#30 - 2012-04-11 02:29:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all.


You wish. P

The bigger the tank, the more expensive the ship they have to lose to gank you. It's not a big difference, but if you fit a half decent tank none of the poor people will try anything.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-04-11 02:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
if you think the hulk is bad, do try to tank a skiff. also, you can fit 3 T2 hards on the hulk.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-04-11 02:33:25 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:



Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)


Having lost a gang of six destroyers to a supertank hulk, I can only agreeLol
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#33 - 2012-04-11 02:37:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:



Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)


Having lost a gang of six destroyers to a supertank hulk, I can only agreeLol


yeah that 12 mill isk must have really burnt...Roll

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Keno Skir
#34 - 2012-04-11 02:40:02 UTC
Gotta agree with most of the above. It's a mining ship not a battleship or even a cruiser. You might find trucks full of expensive equipment in a warzone, but that doesn't mean it can or should have the defences of a tank. The hulk is designed to extract ore quickly and absolutely nothing else. If it had an amazing tank it would be unrealistic IMHO.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-04-11 02:41:32 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


yeah that 12 mill isk must have really burnt...Roll


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Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#36 - 2012-04-11 02:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxylan
MeBiatch wrote:
so this is mega hulk maxed skills with a tengu running links with heat on give you just over 100k ehp its stupid expensive to even think about it but i guess it can be done...


[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System

Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field
Medium Shield Extender II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II


One shot form energy neutralizer and you lose 6.5bil isk, also hulk withaut t2 strip miner and ming upgardes...

If it bleed we can kill it.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-04-11 02:59:14 UTC
The Hulk is needs to be renamed to the fluffy loving rabbit.

I have more space likes than you. 
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-04-11 03:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

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Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.


Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.


Youre right. they should make it so you CANT
AT ALL
fit defensive stuff on that "NON COMBAT" ship

as it is after all non combat

Oh baltec, its also usually illegal for them to mount weapons. Otherwise the pirates in Africa wouldnt be as big an issue

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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#39 - 2012-04-11 03:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Nura Taron wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

[


Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.

Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.

Revolution Rising wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been mining in 0.0 for years without this. But it requires more to do it.

As someone above me mentioned it requires a ridiculously expensive deadspace loot fit to do it. Forcing people to take out a second mortgage to afford enough PLEX to cover their losses is not an effective way to make mining the main source of high end minerals.


lol yeah that was me too. ;) Like I said can be up to a 500m loss of a single sub capital ship depending on fittings.

Probably less so in other parts of space, but certainly against sansha's the EM/TH part of the your fitting is gonna cost you because the rats do EM/TH and those are the worst resists. Likely end up with some faction in there somewhere and the rigs are taken up with it - so you cannot as someone above suggested fit PG rigs for LSE's ;)

You'll probably need a pithi/gisti B type shield booster also.
edit: for typo.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#40 - 2012-04-11 04:16:11 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.

Would you consider the Bustard overpowered then? I believe it can fit an LSE while not being a combat ship but a tanky transport. It provides in my opinion a better comparison to the hulk than the iteron series as it is also a tech 2 version of a non-combat, dedicated purpose hull.


Yeah but the entire point of that transport ship is to transfer cargo through hostile space. Its built for purpose.