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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2012-04-11 01:11:12 UTC
never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...

so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!

either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2012-04-11 01:12:06 UTC
Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3 - 2012-04-11 01:13:13 UTC
Yeah, Hulks are gankbait.

I find actually being at the keyboard improves your odds of survival, though.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#4 - 2012-04-11 01:15:51 UTC
Yeah, Hulk is a T2 BC sized ship with a sub-cruiser tank.
Fricken pathetic and should be addressed.

I do not advocate making Exhumers with super-tanks but at least something respectable for their size, cost and tech level.

Nothing clever at this time.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-11 01:16:02 UTC
Pretty much that's all the Hulk needs in the way of buffing, is a bigger power grid to fit LSEs.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-11 01:18:55 UTC
rigs...?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-04-11 01:18:56 UTC
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#8 - 2012-04-11 01:21:19 UTC
I have recently taken up the olympic flame of ganking Hulks and I must say they are pretty ******* ridiculous. My t2 fit Catalyst rocking overheated neutron smoked a Hulk in a 0.8 system before CONCORD even showed up on grid. And I probably could've done it in a t1 fit. 5 minutes ratting in nullsec and I recovered the ISK and sec loss. I'm all for making Hulks gankable in highsec but I'd like to see doing it require something like a gang of what I was flying, or maybe a high-DPS cruiser (Thorax) or BC hull to do it.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#9 - 2012-04-11 01:22:17 UTC
This was ages ago, but still makes me laugh.

I think it was in 2006 if I remember correctly. My corp at the time was part of the ASCN and we had a mining op going on in null. HULKS were still pretty rare at that time (and a lot more expensive than now), and our CEO had just purchased one and swore up and down that they had a great tank.

He asked us to open fire on him to test it.

We deactivated our launchers after he started screaming on VENT for us to stop shooting him. We stopped shooting him but quite a few missiles were still in flight and heading his way.

BOOM.

He owned it for all of 15 minutes or so between purchase and it getting blown to shreds.

Afterwards, a Mercenary Coalition interceptor grabbed his pod in the same system at the gate and blew up his multi billion isk implant set.

And he forgot to update his clone before that. ;)
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-11 01:23:06 UTC
You can get 24k ehp out of it without gang boosts.

But you cut yield to the point you may as well be in an insured covetor instead, with zero tank, and a small loss if your ganked.

I lied :o
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-04-11 01:26:42 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
I have recently taken up the olympic flame of ganking Hulks and I must say they are pretty ******* ridiculous. My t2 fit Catalyst rocking overheated neutron smoked a Hulk in a 0.8 system before CONCORD even showed up on grid. And I probably could've done it in a t1 fit. 5 minutes ratting in nullsec and I recovered the ISK and sec loss. I'm all for making Hulks gankable in highsec but I'd like to see doing it require something like a gang of what I was flying, or maybe a high-DPS cruiser (Thorax) or BC hull to do it.


Hulks very rarely are tanked. You will know when you slam into a supertank hulkTwisted
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-04-11 01:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
The Hulk aligns more slowly than a plated Abaddon does. Considering its size and vulnerability, that feels very wrong.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#13 - 2012-04-11 01:42:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?


and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-04-11 01:46:06 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.
Nura Taron
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-11 01:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nura Taron
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such a pathetic tank. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.

It has three highs and no hard points. Nobody is going to be using them for combat even if they get a tank buff. CCP is getting rid of drone minerals in order to buff null mining. If they want people to mine in null they need to give them a ship with a better tank to do it in.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#16 - 2012-04-11 01:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
KrakizBad wrote:
Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please.


Poorly fitted T3 miner. *fixed*

Thread amuses me, you should see the **** people have to fit to just be able to tank 0.0 rats. On top of the ship price you need deadspace shield boosters and all kinds of ****.

Could be a 500m loss in 0.0 if ganked.

I'm sure they are all over battleclinic...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-04-11 01:54:36 UTC
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

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Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#18 - 2012-04-11 01:58:07 UTC
Nura Taron wrote:

It has three highs and no hard points. Nobody is going to be using them for combat even if they get a tank buff. CCP is getting rid of drone minerals in order to buff null mining. If they want people to mine in null they need to give them a ship with a better tank to do it in.


Keep in mind, people have been mining in 0.0 for years without this. But it requires more to do it.

I don't mine in empire and haven't since i started playing.

However, I can understand with the new t3's and the ease at which destroyers can kill a hulk in empire, it requires some more thought.

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Adunh Slavy
#19 - 2012-04-11 01:58:38 UTC
All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Nura Taron
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-04-11 02:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nura Taron
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

[


Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.

Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.

Revolution Rising wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been mining in 0.0 for years without this. But it requires more to do it.

As someone above me mentioned it requires a ridiculously expensive deadspace loot fit to do it. Forcing people to take out a second mortgage to afford enough PLEX to cover their losses is not an effective way to make mining the main source of high end minerals.
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