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Doomheim 22
Majestic Twilight Doomheim Likes received: 22	#221 - 2012-04-07 08:48:42 UTC \| Edited by: Majestic Twilight 1 OP are you ok? You ok? You ok Op? Youve been podded by a smooth criminal!!!!!!

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Indahmawar Fazmarai Likes received: 5,954	#222 - 2012-04-07 08:52:05 UTC Nova Fox wrote: I think the gank bears are going to resort to war deccing smaller corps unable to afford the mercs instead. For sure. Miner corps, FAI.

Tarsus Zateki

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#223 - 2012-04-07 09:16:15 UTC | Edited by: Tarsus Zateki

Kitana Wins wrote:

to all care bares. when you are on the recieving end of a war dec, you shouldnt stay docked, ask them what they want and give it to them. If they just want kill mails fit some cheap ships out and give them a fight, they will respect you for it and you never know you might supprise your selves.

Or pay them off / hire a merc corp to defend you. Its to easy o make isk in high sec. being at war from time to time is a kind of tax.

Pvpers have a hard time making isk... pay them to go away.

This is the worst possible solution. They've decided to make your life hell, it is up to you to return the favor. Deny them kills. Corporations that wardec small High-Sec corps do not want fights, they only want kills. They want to farm you like sheep in the closest thing to risk free PvP this game has.

Alternatively, give them fights but be the cheesiest bastard you can be. Go heavy on ECM, never fight when they have an advantage, bait them constantly. There's no reason for every one of your ships to not have a racial ECM and a remote rep of some sort. Make killing you such a pain in the ass they'll go and search for new helpless victims to farm. Fighting like this will almost always cause them to dock up and wait for some of you to wander off in boredom. Don't fall for that. Camp them in for hours if you have to.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Archdaimon

Merchants of the Golden Goose

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#224 - 2012-04-07 21:37:26 UTC

I believe a more nuanced perspective than **** off noob is needed.

1) The fact that newb griefers can do so with alts and just stay ducked (yeah misspelling intended) when not sure of victory makes them equal the cowards.
Make the new war dec changes so that war only ends when either side surrenders.

2) A lot of players don't like to fight back. They still pay for eve though. Do I mind care bears paying for my expansions as long as they don't bot? Not really.

3) However. There are ways of defeating such griefers and sadly most people are right when saying, that if you do not know how to handle such things you are not the right person to introduce new players to Eve.

Conclusion:

Longtime inexperienced Hi sec corporation leaders are the bane of new player introduction to Eve.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Shadowbane Syndicate 301
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate Likes received: 301	#225 - 2012-04-07 22:39:22 UTC Your playing the wrong game Oderint Dum Metuant

Gildinous Vangaurd The Initiative. 293
Cephelange du'Krevviq Gildinous Vangaurd The Initiative. Likes received: 293	#226 - 2012-04-08 00:33:45 UTC How many Tippia alts did you spot in this thread, arguing with herself? "I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Kismesis 144
Katalci Kismesis Likes received: 144	#227 - 2012-04-09 04:54:31 UTC \| Edited by: Katalci Look at the OP's killboard. He's obviously a guy using his cyno alt to troll. Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies. Nullbear is about the most hilarious word/concept ever.

FloppieTheBanjoClown

Arcana Imperii Ltd.

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#228 - 2012-04-09 14:10:33 UTC

Archdaimon wrote:

A lot of players don't like to fight back. They still pay for eve though. Do I mind care bears paying for my expansions as long as they don't bot? Not really.

The trouble is that the people paying for the expansions generally dictate the direction of those expansions. The more highsec carebears we get who want PVP-free zones and space where even can flipping is impossible and other such insults to the game, the more likely CCP is to bend to their will.

I have no problem with people who don't want to fight. I used to be one of them (sort of). They just need to take the steps necessary to not get into fights.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Otrebla Utrigas

Iberians

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#229 - 2012-04-09 14:57:18 UTC

To the OP: Thoughts of a new players who has experienced war dec in less than one month playing:
- Watch list is your best friend.
- Local chat and tags are your second best friends.
- Make T1 frigs fleets and a brick bait. Even if you lose, you can train fleet tactics with your mates
- I'm the hero (wannabe) merlin in my corp (no rifter, rifter is too mainstream) and I'm 3 weeks old on this game.
- If you dock a full week the other guy has won, just don't give him the pleasure to do that.
- You accept PvP in EVE everytime you click the "undock" button. And that is what makes Eve so wonderful.

Seriously, if I were in a corp who promotes "duck and cover" against a single man corp, I would be out in no time. Other thing is if you have to fight against a 10 man veteran griefer corp... but that is another history.

If I can tell you this after 3 weeks playing... I don't think it is too difficult for your mates to put some of it on practice.

But maybe it is just my point of view.

FloppieTheBanjoClown

Arcana Imperii Ltd.

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#230 - 2012-04-09 15:38:03 UTC | Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown

Here's something I wrote the other day and finally got done second-guessing my editing so I could post it on my blog. I've expressed a lot of this in threads like this one before, but this is my collected thoughts on the matter:

Quote:

There seems to have been more bluster than normal lately concerning ganking, piracy, wardecs, and any other method of shooting people who didn't volunteer to be shot at. The notion is "I came to Eve to play the game my way, don't force your version of fun on me. I just want to mine and mission and have fun my way in the sandbox, why do you feel the need to force PVP on me?"

While I understand the sentiment and certainly don't like people telling me how to play the game, these guys don't comprehend the nature of Eve. The entire game is PVP. Do you run incursions? Another fleet can contest a site and reap all the rewards when your fleet did almost half the work. Are you an explorer? Even in highsec someone can come along, race you to the acceleration gate in a DED 4/10 site, and be the one who gets the expensive loot even though you did 90% of the shooting. Even miners can engage in a small amount of PVP against other miners: it's possible to mine asteroids out from under other miners, wasting their cycles and reducing their yield significantly.

About the only activity that is completely free of PVP in its intended design is missions. There is no competition for access to agents or specific missions. No two missions ever conflict with each other or result in a race for the same prize. Unless someone invades your mission space in order to engage in PVP it is the domain of the soloist, the one place in Eve where no one else has a bearing on your performance.

Even then, the mission runner is subject to one type of PVP. The market in Eve is the ultimate expression of PVP. The minerals produced by the miners, the meta and faction loot sold by explorers and missioners, the T2 ships and modules produced by the industrialists and researchers...all of these are sold at prices set by competing players. The price I pay for the ship I use to engage you in PVP is set by a vast a complex network of PVP interactions.

Now, I could say that I have no interest in that PVP. I just want to buy a few ships, I might say, and not have to fly 10 jumps to get what I need at a decent price. It's non-consentual PVP and I want no part in it. CCP should put all the items in one big pool, sell them at fixed prices, and have them instantly delivered to wherever you are when you buy them. That way I can play the game how I want to play it. Hyperbole? Certainly. But sometimes hyperbole is necessary to make a point.

The truth of the matter is, these people are trying to opt out of one type of PVP will continuing to engage in the others, often with some of the same people who are seeking to engage them in combat PVP. So it's okay when your industrial corp can underprice goods to the point that someone can't make a profit in a region...but when they wardec you to get your miners docked up and impact your industrial efforts, suddenly you don't want PVP.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Doddy

Excidium.

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#231 - 2012-04-11 22:31:34 UTC

Marduk Nibiru wrote:

Doddy wrote:

Ban Bindy wrote:

The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.

Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.

Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target?

One the rr is active on the war target the rr ship is a viable target.

Doddy

Excidium.

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#232 - 2012-04-11 22:54:07 UTC

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

If you give hi sec PvPers what they want (PvP and / or ransom) then they will return later to get more. It's why denying them any sort of fun and boring them to death and making them lose time for nothing is an effective defense chosen by many.

(Not saying I a m pro or against any of the playing styles, I make profit off each off them regardless).

You are laughably ill infrmed, hi sec pvpers don't want pvp they want ganks. It could be for isk or it could be for killmails. Either way they definately do not want to be losing t2/t3/faction ships to t1 frigs/cruisers. If they are doing it for isk then no number of t1 cruiser kills will make up for even 1 t3 loss. If they are after killmails its much the same, all relevant killboards working off isk efficiency. If they want prestige even a whiff of losing to noobs is terrible. Getting no kills doesn't hurt them, boredom is irrelevant when every player has multiple alts they are doing other stuff on, never mind the fact half are probably catching up on work or watching tv with eve running just in case a wt (from the several corps they have decced) wanders by.

drdxie

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#233 - 2012-04-11 23:50:02 UTC

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:

Ban Bindy wrote:

Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

You are complaining that you are LOCKED-DOWN by a One Man Corp ? Please, stop playing.

This one man corp will have dozens of other players with app in to join just waiting for you to take the bait. You aggress him, he accepts the apps for the other players and suddenly you have 10 reds right next to you.. its griefing, not PVP.
Buy hey lets carry on chasing new players away from eve cause they weak, it makes the game more fun when all the players are older players and the eve subs dwindle and the price goes up.
If you want to PVP, grow some and go to LS or 0.0.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Nylith Empyreal

Sutar Rein

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#234 - 2012-04-12 00:26:00 UTC

If they're afraid of 'true' pvp as I'll simply designate it, and they only like ganking etc. Relocate yourself to a false homesystem in lowsec that is subjugated to constant roam. If they sit and camp and a roam comes through laugh at the peopel who are now sharing the station, hell i'd bait them further and just undock some obnoxiously tanked and lure the fleets together.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

Astroniomix

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#235 - 2012-04-12 01:14:31 UTC

drdxie wrote:

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:

Ban Bindy wrote:

You are complaining that you are LOCKED-DOWN by a One Man Corp ? Please, stop playing.

That particular scenario is now considered an exploit. Which kinda sucks cause it was the suknwork's primary tactic and they generated some pretty good tears (including some from a few former alliance mates) with it.

The Scope Gallente Federation 24
Kolvin Trask The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 24	#236 - 2012-04-12 04:56:30 UTC Quote: nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature Of course it is. You subscribed to EvE Online. Expecting to not get ganked ever is like joining a WoW PvP server and complaining about the opposite faction players killing you when you venture out of noobzones. Go play on a WoW RP realm if you only want consensual PvP.