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INDUSTRY

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death orion
British-Imperial Trading Company
#1 - 2012-04-07 04:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: death orion
Im not much of an industrialist however.

----------------(BACKGROUND- REAL INFO)---------------

With the release of Dust 514 and the severe banning of macros.
The minerals for everything especially tritanium will go up at 300%
with the constant blowing up of dropships, tanks, jeeps, and ect ect in dust there will be need to build more, ALOT MORE!
Were looking at 1000 tanks maybe 6000 tanks an hour being blowed up by consolers. and the dropships carrying those tanks wont be too good either.

And the weapons, soldier ammo ect ect will boost the market.

The point is in a game of war on a console people buy their crap and do aload of damage onto enemies. Seeing as everything in the game is built and players in dust buy them through the dust market. I would say alot of people will run low on tritanium which = to more prices.

I am sure it will go up to 300% which could mean for your delicious battleship (Hull) it will cost 600m which is very bad for the average pvper.


And seeing as macros weree 40% of the mining industry we need to make 40% and more if we are going to survive on the economics of eve.

To solve this we will need to develop another form of ship and seeing as the last lot of expansions are PvP based and Pve based. We should have an industrial expansion.

--------MINING PLATFORMS-------

What we should have is a form of anchorable mining platforms that require fuel and must be attended every 6 mins. They should be variants a tech one variant can only fit 3 mining lasers. A tech 2 fit should be able to fit strip miners such as 3 of them. They should cost around Tech I = 50m Tech 2 = 500m.

You should only be able to anchor 2 per belt and if you don't reanchor them in 24 hours you will lose them. This saves spamming the belt with mining platforms. So then when you are done mining you can unanchor them and put them back into your hold 20km3.

And when your Mining platforms are running you will need to sit next to them. and pump more fuel into them every 9 minutes otherwise they will go offline.

---------FACTION MINING CRYSTALS-------

CCP should also create Faction mining crystals so that you can get a better yield if you go more than tech 2 wise. such as a increase than the tech 2.

----------TECH III EXHUMER (So players can decide how they are going to plan there mining)

Make a new kind of exhumer a tech III Then put subsystems to it if it is ment for Increased yield. or if it is a GTFO really fast for low sec, null sec systems. And subsystems that increase its drone capacity incase you are threatened by battleship class NPC's.

-----------(MAKE BELTS BIG, REALLY BIG IM TALKIN BIG)

Belts!

Make the big really bigger. Invest in a new server ment for belt control. when you warp to a belt and find you are 20km away from it fill it up. make it look like a belt and not a line of asteroids. Make it the size of a planet (maybe)


--------(REFINING SHIP) I asked people this Many of them agreed it would make a good addition--------

Lets talk about a new kind of ship. one we havent seen before in eve. Lets call it the refinery ship. and basically in the name. The ship refines ore put inside it. Lets make it for high sec as well. Increase your refinery ship skill for a better rate of yield.
This sort of ship would be best for wormholes in general. But if you are in high sec you should get a better yield than the stations in the system that you are in. Class it as a capital ship for ore,

Just pop the ore in the rifinery then pop the minerals out into a "Refinery" hold.

---------(SUPER MINING DRONES------

New type of mining drones. These drones that yield 100m3 every normal mining drones. make them 10m3.

---------(DO NOT)-------

Do not post if you have never before done industry.

If you have objections please state them out correctly instead of.
"Thats not a good idea" ect ect




Cheers for Reading
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-07 05:01:57 UTC
mxzf wrote:
CCP has said before that they have no intentions of making a better miner than the Hulk; and they shouldn't, because it would hurt the economy. If you're still trying to figure that one out, here's a hint for you: "any ship added to the game would increase everyone's yield, not just yours".


I already wrote that a little bit ago and don't feel like re-typing it. And super mining drones and mining platforms are both the same thing as that effectively.

To add to that, making massive belts wouldn't be good for the game, it'd just cause more load for a tiny bit of extra visual effect.

You clearly don't understand how supply/demand functions. As minerals become more in-demand, more people will mine as the profitability increases above their "worth it" levels. This is how the supply/demand balance is designed to work. Eve won't die because of the loss of bot mining, it'll just cause some people to mine who hadn't been and some people to train up more alts for their multiboxing operations.

And, yes, I have done industrial stuff fairly extensively, all the way from mining through T2 production. And even as someone who has mined (especially as someone who has mined, TBH), I know that buffing yield like you're suggesting would hurt miners, not help them.
Darren Hawk
Safety Third
Brotherhood of Spacers
#3 - 2012-04-07 05:53:55 UTC
they could just tweak the yields per cycle and get same results and even change the size of ore to make it more productive.
Not saying you don't have some interesting ideas... keep them up :)

they do need to do some tweaking prices are getting a little crazy...
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-04-07 09:33:01 UTC
I too can make up statistics in a vain attempt to look intelligent. In fact, that accurately describes 120% of the posts in this very forum!

Roll
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-07 09:49:12 UTC
if you're not stockpiling trit right now you're doing it wrong.

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.

Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#6 - 2012-04-07 10:30:56 UTC
If I had another T3 available to fly, I would get one.
T3 mining barge with SuperTank, I like it Pirate

(I dropped industry for doing ratting/plexing because the profit margins are so much higher, but I'd get back into it if I had something that didn't look like a minivan for mining)

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

WolfSchwarzMond
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-07 20:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: WolfSchwarzMond
I mine for a living so I'll comment.

Mining Platforms.
NO. This would be a botters Wet Dream. This would be a Gankers Wet Dream.

Faction Mining Crystals.
No. Lets not crash the price of minerals anymore.

Tech 3 Exhumer.
No. The hulk is a monster mining machine when properly used, and CCP already said No.

Make Belts Bigger.
No. More load on the system and just an attempt to make life safer for those who only mine High Sec.

Refining Ship.
No.You forget that you'd still have to put the ore somewhere and that the gankers would just kill it while it was stuck in siege and we'd have to listen to the High Sec guys whine about that. Although I would like to see POS Refinery's changed to a instant refine.

Super Mining Drones.
No. Lets not crash the price of minerals anymore

IMHO anything that increases yield without a increase in risk is worthless. Anything that increases yield frankly is only going to take more isk out of my pocket because the price is going to go even futher down.

You want more Yield? Get a support ship such as an orca working for you, and mine more per cycle faster.
death orion
British-Imperial Trading Company
#8 - 2012-04-08 17:28:38 UTC
[quote=WolfSchwarzMond]

Refining Ship.
No.You forget that you'd still have to put the ore somewhere and that the gankers would just kill it while it was stuck in siege and we'd have to listen to the High Sec guys whine about that. Although I would like to see POS Refinery's changed to a instant refine.






Where did i say siege lol ?

Maybe you should read again before you criticise someone yes ?

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-08 20:44:59 UTC
death orion wrote:
[quote=WolfSchwarzMond]

Refining Ship.
No.You forget that you'd still have to put the ore somewhere and that the gankers would just kill it while it was stuck in siege and we'd have to listen to the High Sec guys whine about that. Although I would like to see POS Refinery's changed to a instant refine.






Where did i say siege lol ?

Maybe you should read again before you criticise someone yes ?




Im guessing that you dont know much about compression and how it requires something like seige. Its called the industrial core it does much the same thing.

but im also guessing your idea is a lot more immediate, like station refining. no waiting. which would be a bit op for a ship when it takes time in a POS

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.