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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#201 - 2012-04-07 05:30:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Where can I get a squeaky bee?
You go to fanfest and steal one “exchange” one for a beer…
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2012-04-07 05:30:27 UTC
Didn't read the thread.

We'll still make you all kill yourselves. (In your pods, fellow capsuleers o7o7o7)

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-04-07 05:30:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Scooter. If you like we can pretend that Deklein is the ghetto.

It is. It's also apparenyl Occupational Hazard's new home or something. I think also, uh, Raiden. decided to crash on our couch because their Tenal one is on fire.


RaidenDOT is crashing in Vale of the Silent. The new Syndicate.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#204 - 2012-04-07 05:31:13 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Scooter. If you like we can pretend that Deklein is the ghetto.



rens is ghetto
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2012-04-07 05:32:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Also sending squeaky bees, a variety package of snacks and an adorable card decorated in hand drawn crayons to a member of an enemy alliance who's Dreadnaught we blew up.

Where can I get a squeaky bee? Wait, can I find one on our ~secret forums~?


Squeeky Bees

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Jita Alt666
#206 - 2012-04-07 05:37:11 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
However, the simple fact is that Eve survives and grows year after year because it is absolutely unique.



Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore.

There were something like 55k users logged in at that time.

It hasn't been that high the last couple of weeks.


You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#207 - 2012-04-07 05:38:38 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
However, the simple fact is that Eve survives and grows year after year because it is absolutely unique.



Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore.

There were something like 55k users logged in at that time.

It hasn't been that high the last couple of weeks.


You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.



I think that's a barbeque I smell pwning. Here, have some sauce.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2012-04-07 05:41:08 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
However, the simple fact is that Eve survives and grows year after year because it is absolutely unique.



Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore.

There were something like 55k users logged in at that time.

It hasn't been that high the last couple of weeks.


You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.



Not to mention players logged in is a terrible metric that fluctuates radically based on the time of day and time of year, seasonal variation, school breaks, etc... Active subscriptions of Eve-Online have been on a steady rise ever since the game was released. Even during the travesty of the Incarna expansion Eve continued to attract new subscriptions and retain existing ones. As long as Eve continues to be the only "blow people up in space that is actually jello" MMO, it will continue to have positive growth.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#209 - 2012-04-07 05:42:11 UTC
Seriously I'm surprised Bill Cosby hasn't been brought on board to endorse Eve-Online.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#210 - 2012-04-07 05:43:51 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore.

There were something like 55k users logged in at that time.
You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.
To be fair, that all-time graph shows average user count, not PCU. Even so, we didn't get over 55k users until January 2010, so he's still making things up. Back in 2005, 55k was the total number of active accounts, not the amount of people logged in.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#211 - 2012-04-07 06:01:02 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Not to mention players logged in is a terrible metric that fluctuates radically based on the time of day and time of year, seasonal variation, school breaks, etc... Active subscriptions of Eve-Online have been on a steady rise ever since the game was released. Even during the travesty of the Incarna expansion Eve continued to attract new subscriptions and retain existing ones. As long as Eve continues to be the only "blow people up in space that is actually jello" MMO, it will continue to have positive growth.

Oh, if subscriptions have been growing that's good.

Less time logged er subscription means each costs less, though that could mean any number of things (alt accounts, I don't think things like supercapital pilots are common enough to change such figures)

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Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#212 - 2012-04-07 06:14:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
i have decicded that you are not smart enough to ever understand anything that you cant i am surer you are a lovely bird but you will never understand my song, the words have too many sylabals,, please feel free to read and comment and matybe somebday have an alt i dont know but thing is tippia i cant hear you sing and more

…and I have decided that you are a illiterate twisted little psychopath rapist ****** who needs to be removed from civilised society before you do something that will hurt everyone around and land you in jail for the rest of your life. Seek psychiatric and medical help immediately.

I have come to this conclusion based on the fact that you cannot spell; you cannot punctuate; you cannot form coherent sentences; you're using nothing even remotely resembling grammar; AND YOU COMPARED **** AND PLAYING A GAME. You are, quite literally, the worst kind of lowlife subhuman scum this earth has to offer.

You're really high strung. Almost hysterical.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2012-04-07 06:18:30 UTC
Shortly after that post she succumbed to the vapors and had to retire to her fainting couch.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#214 - 2012-04-07 06:36:52 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
[Choosing to be a victim, whinging about the consequences, and expecting **** to be given]


I can haz ur stuffs?

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#215 - 2012-04-07 07:30:57 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
[snip]

no see if you think what ppl say on here is what they mean then you need to decide if what ppl mean is what they say and if you dont get that then you are kidding yourself if you are going to read into what i say then you have to make and compare for everyone, you dont you just twist things to make you and othter s to your liking, so no, you are the psycho


I'm sorry, but could you re-post this in something approximating proper English? Hell, even American will do.

Line-breaks, punctuation, capitalisation, no text-speak: You'd be amazed at the difference!

Tippi's right, though:

You have serious...errrm...issues...if you actually believe that there is any valid parallel between one of the ghastliest of RL crimes and a bloody video-game.

Ni.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#216 - 2012-04-07 07:48:52 UTC
Amazing thread, folks

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#217 - 2012-04-07 07:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Adunh Slavy wrote:
The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.


NO

He doesn't have a point. He IS the point. The point why wardeccing newbie corporations is a GOOD thing.

The thing that really hurts new player retention are useless crap-corporations luring in newbies and then failing hard in teaching them how to defend themselves (or how to have fun while doing so), because the leaders are clueless carebears themselves.

For a decent corporation an empire war is THE BEST thing that can happen. It identifies the useless leechers and brings the rest of the members together in a common purpose. Too bad most carebears don't understand that. They just want to chew rocks and whore missions, often on their own, but are too greedy/stupid/vain to do it in NPC corporations.

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Kitana Wins
Doomheim
#218 - 2012-04-07 08:02:31 UTC
to all care bares. when you are on the recieving end of a war dec, you shouldnt stay docked, ask them what they want and give it to them. If they just want kill mails fit some cheap ships out and give them a fight, they will respect you for it and you never know you might supprise your selves.


Or pay them off / hire a merc corp to defend you. Its to easy o make isk in high sec. being at war from time to time is a kind of tax.

Pvpers have a hard time making isk... pay them to go away.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#219 - 2012-04-07 08:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

The minute he gets online (hint: watchlist), find out where he is (hint: locator agent), and get cloaked eyes on him. Keep your corporation informed of his moves. If he gets inside 2 jumps of anyone, they either lock up or move away. He'll get bored and dec someone who does not yet have a clue pretty fast. When you do not have eyes on him, have everyone watch local, and stay docked if he is in system and report any sightings.


This solution has the same problem as most of the other solutions posted. They require teamwork and a player or alt willing to do something that won't have an immediate positive impact on their wallet. High-Sec pubbies are generally incapable of this. High-Sec pubbies will mine together as that requires no real teamwork past being in the same gang as the Orca, but that's about the limit, having one of them just scouting, ahaha, the idea is laughable.

I am aware that some of high-sec newbies are unable to actually fix their situation. But some are able, they just have no clue yet as to how. I tend to err on assuming the latter when talking to them, because I find that while you can give a clue to a clueless person and it won't harm the whiner, bashing a whiner will make them even more whiney and not help the clueless. Thus trying to do some clue-dispensing leads to more quality EVE players later, which is my admittedly rather selfish motive in this. (Whiners will quit anyhow so who cares.)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#220 - 2012-04-07 08:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tobiaz wrote:


NO

He doesn't have a point. He IS the point. The point why wardeccing newbie corporations is a GOOD thing.

The thing that really hurts new player retention are useless crap-corporations luring in newbies and then failing hard in teaching them how to defend themselves (or how to have fun while doing so), because the leaders are clueless carebears themselves.

For a decent corporation an empire war is THE BEST thing that can happen. It identifies the useless leechers and brings the rest of the members together in a common purpose. Too bad most carebears don't understand that. They just want to chew rocks and ***** missions, often on their own, but are too greedy/stupid/vain to do it in NPC corporations.


This would be so cool if the newbies weren't in cruisers with skills trained to III while the deccers would not have 8 neutral RR each and 3+ years of experience about how to use every timer and game quirk at their advantage.

Only way for a newbie to learn for real is to join a real PvP corp and play with experienced players. Of course real PvP corps rarely have anything but a shallow (if any) industry section. So, those who wanted their sandbox to be about something different than pure spaceships PvP are kind of screwed.


Kitana Wins wrote:
to all care bares. when you are on the recieving end of a war dec, you shouldnt stay docked, ask them what they want and give it to them. If they just want kill mails fit some cheap ships out and give them a fight, they will respect you for it and you never know you might supprise your selves.


Or pay them off / hire a merc corp to defend you. Its to easy o make isk in high sec. being at war from time to time is a kind of tax.

Pvpers have a hard time making isk... pay them to go away.


If you give hi sec PvPers what they want (PvP and / or ransom) then they will return later to get more. It's why denying them any sort of fun and boring them to death and making them lose time for nothing is an effective defense chosen by many.

(Not saying I am pro or against any of the playing styles, I make profit off each off them regardless).

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