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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#121 - 2012-04-06 21:31:58 UTC
I have no idea how people in null sec and low sec survive... how do they fly around at all... I mean everyone can shoot at them there, almost like being in a constant war dec....

point being, once you learn the game mechanics a war dec sounds less dangerous

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-04-06 21:35:07 UTC
Ya, just undock and go fight. If you lose, learn from your mistakes and try something new. If you win, think about how he's going to come back at you and prepare as best you can.

Welcome to Eve, this is the game. Not all games are for everyone, so if you really don't like it, then play something else.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-04-06 21:37:23 UTC
How can a one-man corp lock down your whole corp when just one guy using EW is enough to render him harmless?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#124 - 2012-04-06 21:51:35 UTC
Ambush is your friend.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#125 - 2012-04-06 21:53:40 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Skydell wrote:
You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.

Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.


When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.

And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.

What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...

This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there?


Just because you couldn't cut it NRDS doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#126 - 2012-04-06 21:55:58 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Skydell wrote:
You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.

Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.


When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.

And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.

What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...

This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there?


Just because you couldn't cut it NRDS doesn't mean the rest of us can't.


Straw man, straw man, straw man, nyeah.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Snickers Fingers
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-04-06 22:00:37 UTC
It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-04-06 22:08:03 UTC
Snickers Fingers wrote:
It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...



No, non-consensual PvP IS the game, even if you don't like to partake in it. If you don't like BF3, don't play it. If you don't like coke, don't drink it. If you don't like Eve, don't play it.

You don't necessarily have to like actually flying spaceships in combat, that's fine. However, if you dislike the fact that other people can fly their spaceships in combat AT YOU whenever they want so much that you want to remove the ability, then you don't like the game Eve for what it is. If you really dislike Eve that much for what it is, then just don't play.

There are tons of things I would like more if they were different, and the way they are now I don't like them at all. You know what I do? I don't partake in them. Instead of whining how something should be different just for me, I go find something that is the way I like it.

It's really very simple.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-04-06 22:16:58 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Sadly, I was dropped on my head as an infant, now I'm a wise-guy on the internet. Yuck yuck yuck.

I wasn't being a wise guy. Stick to stuff you know, like poopy diapers and flying backwards in a rookie ship, mmkay?

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#130 - 2012-04-06 22:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
IC. I was under the mistaken assumption that the whole issue with neut RR was they could RR without flags

This is why I don't play hisec games, and when I do I generally lose :P

That's a pretty common assumption that nullsec people make

Most of the complaints people make about "neutral logistics" have absolutely nothing to do with the neutrality of logistics and are just complaints about logistics ships being able to dock/jump while repping.

The actual function of keeping logistics neutral is to reduce the visibility of combat assets so that you get engagements more often. So people engage fleets they wouldn't have if they knew logistics would be present, lose the fight and go to the forums to complain because they want local to give them perfect intel about what to expect in a fight.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#131 - 2012-04-06 22:29:09 UTC
Snickers Fingers wrote:
It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...



No, you need to go play Hello Kitty Online, if you don't like the fact that EVE has pvp, tough, get over it. I'm sick of hearing you babies cry about how it's so terrible that pvp happens, waaaaah.

Get a bloody grip.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#132 - 2012-04-06 22:30:17 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Ivan En'Vec wrote:
If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station


But then it would be consensual PvP and he couldn't make a whine thread about it.


As I pointed out and many crying so and so's have chosen to ignore, is that it IS consensual pvp when it happens in a player corp, every single time, ever, like it or not

People just don't want to pay the tax. You wan't your cake and eat it too. Good luck.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#133 - 2012-04-06 22:55:07 UTC
Snickers Fingers wrote:
It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...



As far as the EVE population goes, everyone falls into one of two distinct groups.

1: Those that wish to participate in combat.

2: Those that wish to avoid combat and go about doing other things.

Notice the central theme.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2012-04-07 00:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
You have no idea what an insta-warp bookmark is, do you?


Roll There are ways to deal with instas. I was going to explain a few, then realized that would be giving away what is apparently rare information. If you can't figure it out, I'll let you continue thinking they're a problem. Just know that I have a habit of showing up in them.


There's no way to deal with insta-undocks in high or low sec short of lagging the node out on purpose.

Your next reply will be you smugly impressing that there are way to deal with them if you just think about it and know how to play the game. Which is really just a self-aggrandizing effort to not look like the idiot you are.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#135 - 2012-04-07 00:54:06 UTC
it's not a feature.

it's the feature.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-04-07 00:55:48 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:



you cannot create a successful corporation without building in an ability to defend yourselves. period. That's eve.

You can recruit and train a defense. You can hire mercs for the defense ( in-game tools for this soon! ), or you can do as you have been, and wait out the war-dec by sitting in station.

If you chose to do the latter, then you really should make sure your folks understand that this was your choice before you recruit them. If you don't, then it's your own fault that they're leaving, and they're not leaving because you're war-decced, they're leaving because you weren't up-front with them as to what would happen when you WERE war-decced.

Re-think your choices, or recruit folks that can live with them.

that's pretty much it. We don't want you to leave eve, but to play eve and enjoy it, you have to be willing to play in the sandbox, and if someone kicks sand in your face, you either have to be prepared to kick back, or be happy with hiding for awhile.



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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#137 - 2012-04-07 01:05:32 UTC
I never get decced by these loser corps because they are afraid. Very, very afraid.

No one messes with Mr Epeen and survives intact. Griefers be warned. You are on my list and you will die.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rekon X
Doomheim
#138 - 2012-04-07 01:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rekon X
Ivan En'Vec wrote:
If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.



Wow, this is one of a very few posts in this whole thread that is worth reading.

Is this game just for the hateful?

BTW, if I stay, I'd be interested in being in one of these merc corps for hire.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#139 - 2012-04-07 01:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it.
There is relief from them. You just have to create it for yourself.

Quote:
My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.
There is plenty to do — you chose not to do anything. This is no-one's fault but your own. If you choose to grief your own corp-members that way, it's only right that they leave.

Quote:
Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.
He's not causing any problems. You are. Just shoot him and his RR alts.

Quote:
If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.
So there is a solution, then. Why not use it? Oh, and the latter part will be fixed in Inferno.

Quote:
Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?
Yes. No. Yes, in that order. What can be done is that you stop letting a single person ruin your gameplay and choose not to stay docked up for weeks on end.


Oh, and as others have mentioned: yes, non-stop non-consensual pvp is a feature. It's the one thing that distinguishes EVE from the horrid grey morass of other pointless MMOs.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#140 - 2012-04-07 01:23:33 UTC
by signing a petition like mine you can help make a statment on how you feel about things