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Drone poo nerf = lamest null space in eve?
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Zifrian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-06 19:14:19 UTC
Totally see where CCP is coming from with the drone poo nerf. I'm a max skilled miner and I gun mine now. Makes little sense not to unless I'm low on some mineral. Glad they are making this change.

Except, is that it? I can understand this is a big enough change but now the drone regions are going to be the most boring null space for pve. Right now a 10/10 plex is drone poo + t2 salvage. Really? So now it's bounties and salvage? Where's the officer spawns with interesting loot? What about all the other things that make other faction areas interesting? Are we even going to get meta 1+ drops?

I didnt go out to null to grind drones for isk only to ship crap from Jita. I can do that in high sec.

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-04-06 19:31:29 UTC
Dronelands are the slum of EVE.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#3 - 2012-04-06 19:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Zifrian wrote:
Totally see where CCP is coming from with the drone poo nerf. I'm a max skilled miner and I gun mine now. Makes little sense not to unless I'm low on some mineral. Glad they are making this change.

Except, is that it? I can understand this is a big enough change but now the drone regions are going to be the most boring null space for pve. Right now a 10/10 plex is drone poo + t2 salvage. Really? So now it's bounties and salvage? Where's the officer spawns with interesting loot? What about all the other things that make other faction areas interesting? Are we even going to get meta 1+ drops?

I didnt go out to null to grind drones for isk only to ship crap from Jita. I can do that in high sec.


Iterate Drone Space.

Make it an advanced NPE.

Let players fly rogue drone ships with a COMPLETELY SEPARATE skilltree.

Make stargates accessible to these drones only through sucessful hacking.

Set players playing as rogue-drones to always-PVPable non-CONCORDABLE.

Allow individual drone players to upgrade ships through resource gathering and reprocessing.

Drone boats would not be customizable. They would be player-operated versions of today's exact rogue drones.

Rogue Drone players would compete with normal players for resources in-game to upgrade their drone ships to a more specialized/advanced model.

The resource competition should be "gritty" like drones leeching mats from a moon-mining beam, for example.

Imagine the fun.

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Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
#4 - 2012-04-06 19:49:33 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Totally see where CCP is coming from with the drone poo nerf. I'm a max skilled miner and I gun mine now. Makes little sense not to unless I'm low on some mineral. Glad they are making this change.

Except, is that it? I can understand this is a big enough change but now the drone regions are going to be the most boring null space for pve. Right now a 10/10 plex is drone poo + t2 salvage. Really? So now it's bounties and salvage? Where's the officer spawns with interesting loot? What about all the other things that make other faction areas interesting? Are we even going to get meta 1+ drops?

I didnt go out to null to grind drones for isk only to ship crap from Jita. I can do that in high sec.


Iterate Drone Space.

Make it an advanced NPE.

Let players fly rogue drone ships with a COMPLETELY SEPARATE skilltree.

Make stargates accessible to these drones only through sucessful hacking.

Set players playing as rogue-drones to always-PVPable non-CONCORDABLE.

Allow individual drone players to upgrade ships through resource gathering and reprocessing.

Drone boats would not be customizable. They would be player-operated versions of today's exact rogue drones.

Rogue Drone players would compete with normal players for resources in-game to upgrade their drone ships to a more specialized/advanced model.

The resource competition should be "gritty" like drones leeching mats from a moon-mining beam, for example.

Imagine the fun.


Wont happen in a thousend years though.

Would be more sensible to add some kind of drone officer spawn...
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-06 19:54:55 UTC
Flying drone ships means you become part of the drone collective. Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated!
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Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-04-06 20:01:30 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Flying drone ships means you become part of the drone collective. Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated!

So basically no change from the people already living in the Drone Region.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#7 - 2012-04-06 20:01:35 UTC
Well, last time i flew through Belts in Dronelands, i noticed that in normal 0.0 belts, there are 1 or 2 BS in a BS-Spawn. In Dronelands, it's usually 2 or 3. Depending on how high the bounty will be on Drones and if the spawns will be adjustet or not, you might make considerabely more ISK/Hr when ratting compared to other 0.0, and probably grind secstatus faster. However, i have no clue about BS count in Anoms / Plexes compared to other 0.0.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#8 - 2012-04-06 20:03:48 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Well, last time i flew through Belts in Dronelands, i noticed that in normal 0.0 belts, there are 1 or 2 BS in a BS-Spawn. In Dronelands, it's usually 2 or 3. Depending on how high the bounty will be on Drones and if the spawns will be adjustet or not, you might make considerabely more ISK/Hr when ratting compared to other 0.0, and probably grind secstatus faster. However, i have no clue about BS count in Anoms / Plexes compared to other 0.0.


Also betting the purported new drone upgrade modules will drop out there.

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Hired Assasin
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-06 20:04:15 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Totally see where CCP is coming from with the drone poo nerf. I'm a max skilled miner and I gun mine now. Makes little sense not to unless I'm low on some mineral. Glad they are making this change.

Except, is that it? I can understand this is a big enough change but now the drone regions are going to be the most boring null space for pve. Right now a 10/10 plex is drone poo + t2 salvage. Really? So now it's bounties and salvage? Where's the officer spawns with interesting loot? What about all the other things that make other faction areas interesting? Are we even going to get meta 1+ drops?

I didnt go out to null to grind drones for isk only to ship crap from Jita. I can do that in high sec.


well if they nerf them into bountys but dont touch the nullsec ratings of each system, drone regions will be some of the best space with the highest amount of sec ratings. higher chance of probe-able sites better belt rats better belt ore

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#10 - 2012-04-06 20:09:32 UTC
I asked that question in another thread, what will the new Drone region drops be? Of course all I got was trolls but it's a valid question. are they going to take drone poo or replace drone poo is the question.
Zifrian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-06 21:45:18 UTC
The standard response is: you have better true sec. Again, isk is used to buy crap from Jita. Great and all but really boring and lame. Hence my issue.

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-06 21:53:07 UTC
I think it's a reasonable question and concern. I would be pushing this issue with the csm while they're looking at the drone regions, or you could very well get backburnered for a year or more. Having variations in value is a good and fair conflict driver; having variations in content quality just makes less space that people actually want to play the game in.

I think value-wise the drone regions are looking pretty good with generally badass sec ratings, but that's no reason to deny them some of the fun and variety seen in the other npc factions. Ratting is already boring enough, having a section of space where the ratting is even more boring is just cruel P
Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2012-04-06 21:54:34 UTC
Kinda wonder why they never put EOMs in drone area.

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Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-06 21:58:08 UTC
There always has to be a 'most boring' part of everything.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-06 21:59:08 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
There always has to be a 'most boring' part of everything.


No...there doesn't.

What a ridiculous assertion.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#16 - 2012-04-06 22:00:17 UTC
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2012-04-06 22:05:17 UTC
Perhaps something more can be done with those "faction drones" that I never see on the market.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2012-04-06 22:33:46 UTC
oh....

faction drones!!!!



FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP


sorry


Oops

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Zifrian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-06 22:38:06 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
I think it's a reasonable question and concern. I would be pushing this issue with the csm while they're looking at the drone regions, or you could very well get backburnered for a year or more. Having variations in value is a good and fair conflict driver; having variations in content quality just makes less space that people actually want to play the game in.

I think value-wise the drone regions are looking pretty good with generally badass sec ratings, but that's no reason to deny them some of the fun and variety seen in the other npc factions. Ratting is already boring enough, having a section of space where the ratting is even more boring is just cruel P

I honestly didn't think CSM really could accomplish anything. Is this viable?

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Adunh Slavy
#20 - 2012-04-06 22:39:23 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Perhaps something more can be done with those "faction drones" that I never see on the market.



All those drone spare parts, to make augemted drones and that sort of thing you mean?

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