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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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Adunh Slavy
#101 - 2012-04-06 19:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
masternerdguy wrote:

Guess what?

EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.


I've no issue with it being hard, I am questioning the wisdom of ganking noobs.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-04-06 19:44:28 UTC
ganking noobs is inevitable when wardecs in eve are so easy to get out of
all the good targets have decshields set up or are in NPC corps - so it's the noobs who don't do these things that receive all the stomping
hth
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-04-06 19:44:50 UTC
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Name those changes.

I'll name some negative changes:
1.The "new wardec system" makes every Null Sec mega-alliance immune to War-Decs. So yeah, that's really mean to Null-Sec.

2.Put high taxes on PI in High Sec while Null Sec has effectively zero and planets that are 4 times as better as well. Low Sec got shafted in terms of PI as well.

3.Nerf of Drone Goo makes Null/Wormhole major suppliers of minerals.

4.Incursion Nerf. Only necessary change, but it still is a nerf to High Sec.


If you are in Low Sec, sure, you might be getting some bad stuff. You aren't CCP's little darlings, so you could be getting the shaft to. Jump Freighters, for example, were a big present to the Nulls and a big kick in the but to you.

I'd really like a list of EXPLICIT positive changes made for High Sec.

Not just, ya know, the War Dec changes really benefit High. Ya know? Like for sure dude.

That doesn't count.


1. What is stopping you people from forming massive alliances and coalitions in the area of Eve with the highest population density?

2. Null-sec taxes on PI are sometimes higher than high-sec, depending on your alliance's power and prestige. Destructible POCOs sure do favor nullsec though Roll


Absolutely. They can drop a capital pack on any Low Sec Poco and incinerate it easily. If the 10 man pirate corp wants to defend the POCO, they are free to show up to the capital fight.

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3. Miners should be the primary suppliers of minerals. That a drone crusade could deflate the mineral market to such extremes before this was done is...notable.


And since those minerals only exist in Null and Wormhole...that would be a big gimme to those two groups. Rare minerals should be present in Low. Reasons are immaterial. Plus to Null. Minus to High.

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4. A nerf to high-sec where it's obviously needed for the benefit of non-participants who were literally being griefed by the inflation it was generating. Right?

It benefits both Null and High. But it also is negative to High. So on the balance, negative to High. But this was necessary.

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What makes you think that high-sec needs a bunch of changes designed to be in its favor again?

Oh right, fallacious thoughts, etc.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#104 - 2012-04-06 19:45:27 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:

Guess what?

EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.



I've no issue with it being hard, I am questing the wisdom of ganking noobs.


"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it.

Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career.

I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious. Twisted

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Adunh Slavy
#105 - 2012-04-06 19:51:04 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it.

Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career.

I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious. Twisted



Excuse me for the lazy use of the word "noob" ... how about younger players that are not yet ready for the trials? IMO, anyone six months old is a noob.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-04-06 19:53:09 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it.

Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career.

I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious. Twisted



Excuse me for the lazy use of the word "noob" ... how about younger players that are not yet ready for the trials? IMO, anyone six months old is a noob.


When does the hand holding stop?

When they get a cruiser?
When they get a battleship?
When they leave hi sec?
When they feel like it?

See the problem?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#107 - 2012-04-06 19:58:47 UTC
Ladies here's a good rule of thumb:

You know you've nursed for far too long when your son looks at you and says, "Mom, give me tittay!"

Which, gentlemen, is pretty much what is happening all over these forums right now.

Guess what? Binky time is almost over.

Jita will burn.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#108 - 2012-04-06 19:59:49 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ladies here's a good rule of thumb:

You know you've nursed for far too long when your son looks at you and says, "Mom, give me tittay!"

Which, gentlemen, is pretty much what is happening all over these forums right now.

Guess what? Binky time is almost over.

Jita will burn.


Thanks for reminding me. I still need to get ready for that.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#109 - 2012-04-06 20:03:54 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.


Who says I don't? Slander will get you nowhere!
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#110 - 2012-04-06 20:10:20 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.


Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target?

Remotely assisting someone who is at war flags you with aggression to all of the people the person you are assisting is at war with making you a legal target as long as you have a remote assistance module active and for 15 minutes afterward.

You can, jam, neut and blap neutral logistics as much as you like without penalty or concord interference.


IC. I was under the mistaken assumption that the whole issue with neut RR was they could RR without flags.

This is why I don't play hisec games, and when I do I generally lose :P
Adunh Slavy
#111 - 2012-04-06 20:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
masternerdguy wrote:
When does the hand holding stop?


I am not arguing for some mechanic to protect them. Again, I am questioning the wisdom of going after them. IMO the CCP stance is the only viable choice, "you join a corp, you make your self a valid target for war decs." This does not also mean it is good to go war dec a bunch of noobs just because you can.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#112 - 2012-04-06 20:22:30 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
When does the hand holding stop?


I am not arguing for some mechanic to protect them. Again, I am questioning the wisdom of going after them. IMO the CCP stance is the only viable choice, "you join a corp, you make your self a valid target for war decs." This does not also mean it is good to go war dec a bunch of noobs just because you can.


Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-04-06 20:26:55 UTC
it's a sandbox, deal w/ it.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Adunh Slavy
#114 - 2012-04-06 20:27:40 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you.


Agreed, my focus was on the "war dec" aspect presnted by the OP.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Skorpynekomimi
#115 - 2012-04-06 20:28:46 UTC
So go ******* gank his RR alts, THEN engage the bastard.

Or lock him in station for weeks until he gives up.

Or attack his supply lines.

WAITING IS NOT YOUR ONLY OPTION.

Economic PVP
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#116 - 2012-04-06 20:31:10 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you.


Agreed, my focus was on the "war dec" aspect presnted by the OP.


Well, with regard to him, he needs to go back to the NPC corp.

Which will make him only aggressible by suicide gankers.

Did I mention?

Jita will burn.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Adunh Slavy
#117 - 2012-04-06 20:37:07 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Did I mention?

Jita will burn.



WTS, low friction nozzle joints

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#118 - 2012-04-06 20:38:07 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Did I mention?

Jita will burn.



WTS, low friction nozzle joints

Don't forget the nanite paste.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#119 - 2012-04-06 20:43:07 UTC
You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.

Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#120 - 2012-04-06 20:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Skydell wrote:
You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.

Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.


When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.

And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.

What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...

This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom