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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#41 - 2012-04-06 17:28:41 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


So, you left an NPC corp. You therefore consented to the rules of engagement bound to non NPC corps. Is that hard to understand or is it just hard to admit?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Mena Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#42 - 2012-04-06 17:31:33 UTC
Your relief is called an NPC Corp.
Once you venture out of one, you are subject to all that Eve entails.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#43 - 2012-04-06 17:31:39 UTC
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
Lets all hold hands and cry about it.


Bawls, hands Dark Assassin a handkerchief.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-04-06 17:35:32 UTC
Quote:
nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.


Well THERE's your problem.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Dark Assassin15
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-04-06 17:37:02 UTC
Alua Oresson wrote:
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
Lets all hold hands and cry about it.


Bawls, hands Dark Assassin a handkerchief.


/uses handkerchief to cover eyes from this Fail thread.

[img]http://www.invokemethod.com/repo/failedsig.png[/img]
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-04-06 17:37:55 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.


Griffins are hilarious ships. No one ever expects a Griffin to accomplish anything, but then it goes and knocks some multi million SP player out of the fight as effectively as if he had been destroyed.

Challenging other players to frigates duels with a Griffin is equally hilarious.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-04-06 17:38:47 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.

The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.

War should end the next week


The Velator can carry drones. With enough velators anything dies.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#48 - 2012-04-06 17:41:25 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.

The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.

War should end the next week


The Velator can carry drones. With enough velators anything dies.


Bonus points for all civilian modules

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-04-06 17:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

The minute he gets online (hint: watchlist), find out where he is (hint: locator agent), and get cloaked eyes on him. Keep your corporation informed of his moves. If he gets inside 2 jumps of anyone, they either lock up or move away. He'll get bored and dec someone who does not yet have a clue pretty fast. When you do not have eyes on him, have everyone watch local, and stay docked if he is in system and report any sightings.


This solution has the same problem as most of the other solutions posted. They require teamwork and a player or alt willing to do something that won't have an immediate positive impact on their wallet. High-Sec pubbies are generally incapable of this. High-Sec pubbies will mine together as that requires no real teamwork past being in the same gang as the Orca, but that's about the limit, having one of them just scouting, ahaha, the idea is laughable.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#50 - 2012-04-06 17:43:03 UTC
Cost of doing business for operating near/at a trade hub.

Working as intended.

No good deed goes unpunished
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-04-06 17:45:28 UTC
But really, just camp him into a station for a day or two. That wardec will go away rather quickly. The folks that wardec high-sec pubbie corps have the same testicular fortitude as the corps they dec.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-04-06 17:52:27 UTC
Roime wrote:
Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.



Yeah sad thing is many high sec "war" corps dont go into low sec.

This is because high sec wars are ******* cheap for the most part.

Granted I see their legit purpose, but doesn't mean as they are that they're not cheap tactics BS. Hopefully the up coming changes will help, and address more neutral RR'ing or the like BS.

But you do need a find a way to deal with them aside from just docking up. Consolidate your members... provide pvp ships they can use.... Consolidate your members. Focus train them to fly **** aside from mining ships or pve BS's. Once again get your people together in one place.

Best way to deal is your leadership, and direction. If you guys aren't good enough then pool money together and hire some folks. But really it takes numbers, and organization, and focus.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#53 - 2012-04-06 17:55:29 UTC
Dark Fusion Industries [DFIDS] Found in his corp history. Anyone want to bet that this is the corp that is having the issues?

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-04-06 17:57:21 UTC
You know what else sucks, in racing games they constantly want you to be racing the car.. what If I just want to walk around the track, go to a bar, they need to offer more options in these games, it's not fair that they expect me to do what the game is about :(
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#55 - 2012-04-06 18:11:05 UTC
So get the biggest fleet together that you can and camp his Jita station until he raises the white flag.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#56 - 2012-04-06 18:18:18 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature


Technically all the PVP is consensual. You consent by accepting the EULA.

"Working as intended."

You should probably try the NPC corp. Bonus: Those guys sure do know a lot about EVE!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#57 - 2012-04-06 18:23:58 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.


Do you really need someone to point out the problem here?? Sigh...very well.

It is you who are doing a disservice to your "members" by recruiting them into a corp that doesn't have your full attention. Don't recruit people into your alt corp and expect them to stick around.

Really. This has to be one of the dumbest attempts to garner sympathy that I've ever seen. Those corps that wardeced your alt corp into oblivion did your members a great service.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#58 - 2012-04-06 18:24:53 UTC
Corps that can't protect their new members from a single person and a few RR alts don't deserve to have new members.

The problem is that you are weak and incompetent, it's not a game mechanic issue.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#59 - 2012-04-06 18:34:44 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.


Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target?
Adunh Slavy
#60 - 2012-04-06 18:35:12 UTC
The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt