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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#21 - 2012-04-06 16:33:34 UTC
I will laugh my ass off if this guy is actually part of a pvp group baiting gankbears into giving them free wars to fight.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#22 - 2012-04-06 16:36:52 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. :


Its not a real fleet without a hero rifter

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#23 - 2012-04-06 16:38:33 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
I will laugh my ass off if this guy is actually part of a pvp group baiting gankbears into giving them free wars to fight.


Dammit dude, now I'm not sure if the OP is a troll or a whinging carebear.

Thanks for ruining it for me. Sad

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#24 - 2012-04-06 16:42:26 UTC
If you're going to have a corp, you need to know how to defend it. Otherwise don't start one. this is what I'd do in such a situation:

Use stations with small docking rings. Get him to camp a corpmate in and then engage him with a logi-supported BC fleet. Use a couple of neutrals to bump his RR off station and see how quickly he scrambles to get out of the fight before you land something on those RR and start killing them.

Once you've won the field and he's docked up, smack talk. Ransom him. Demand he withdraw his wardec. Do whatever you want with him, you won the fight and he's going to have to cry for backup if he's going to press the war. From that point on, he's the guy who picked a fight he couldn't win.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2012-04-06 16:43:40 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
I will laugh my ass off if this guy is actually part of a pvp group baiting gankbears into giving them free wars to fight.

Never works for me :(

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#26 - 2012-04-06 16:43:48 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
If you're going to have a corp, you need to know how to defend it. Otherwise don't start one. this is what I'd do in such a situation:

Use stations with small docking rings. Get him to camp a corpmate in and then engage him with a logi-supported BC fleet. Use a couple of neutrals to bump his RR off station and see how quickly he scrambles to get out of the fight before you land something on those RR and start killing them.

Once you've won the field and he's docked up, smack talk. Ransom him. Demand he withdraw his wardec. Do whatever you want with him, you won the fight and he's going to have to cry for backup if he's going to press the war. From that point on, he's the guy who picked a fight he couldn't win.


You have no idea what an insta-warp bookmark is, do you?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
gfldex
#27 - 2012-04-06 16:54:02 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

(...)

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.


The solution to your problem is right in front of you.


Ban Bindy wrote:
Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


There is. All you have to do is to use your brain. If you can't do that you don't deserve new members.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-06 17:00:39 UTC
This post was the ultimate in carebear entitlement.... I hope your corp disbands.

HTFU

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#29 - 2012-04-06 17:02:32 UTC
To the OP, how many wardecs do you have now? (No, not my alliance, we don't play in hi sec.)

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-04-06 17:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
If his RR alts are preventing you from killing him why aren't you dealing with them? Bait his main with a brick Maller/Drake, warpin in your **** gang on top of his ass and let a Blackbird deal with the RR alt. This is a perfect job for your newbies. Jamming is a low skill point investment job that let's a week old newbie completely nullify any number of skill points just by showing up on grid.

When he gets smart and loads ECCM, then you bring out the Celesti with damps.

And there's nothing wrong with camping him into a station. He's declared a war to CYBER BULLY!!!!11111oneone you for a week, camp his ass for a week. I know its very, very hard for pubbie filth to comprehend doing any action that doesn't cause their wallet to increase but that going to be up to you.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Doddy
Excidium.
#31 - 2012-04-06 17:13:53 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#32 - 2012-04-06 17:16:24 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.



Agreed, I just LOVE hero rifters.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#33 - 2012-04-06 17:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Roime wrote:
Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.



2nd easiest way is to war dec them back, and go on the offensive. Even "infamous" high sec corps that do nothing but hang around market hubs all day will run from a gang of 3-4 organized players. People are cowards and afraid to lose their precious shiny ships, and only tend to attack when a win is certain. So take the offensive and make THEM dock for a while. Oh it will be a couple week's work, but after that they will probably leave you alone. There are easier, more gullible targets.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-04-06 17:18:14 UTC
Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.

The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.

War should end the next week
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2012-04-06 17:18:40 UTC
Docking up, I find, provides relief.

Also, trespassing deep into 0.0 space where weeks can go by without seeing another ship, is relaxing too.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
OldMan Gana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-04-06 17:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: OldMan Gana
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


Honestly mate,
Get out of hi-sec and into null, yes you will lose ships and yes you'll get podded now and again, just like we all do. But I can assure you that after learning the ropes for a while in null, you'll be looking for fights, be making more in industry and having a better time of it. Thing is, you need space in null, to rat, learn the ropes and grow as a corp.
I can maybe help with that side of things, if you are interested then shoot me a mail.

Love United- Hate Glazer
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-04-06 17:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
You're seriously telling us you can't handle one person?

I hear Tornados with 1400s are great for punching through RR (neutral or otherwise), but what do I know?

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Agreed, I just LOVE hero rifters.


Everyone loves hero rifters. Lol

KB Link
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#38 - 2012-04-06 17:23:19 UTC
Alua Oresson wrote:
To the OP, how many wardecs do you have now? (No, not my alliance, we don't play in hi sec.)



It wouldn't matter on this guy. He's a 1 man alt corp used for forum posting, like me!

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2012-04-06 17:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sorry, but non-consensual PvP everywhere is a feature. You can claim that it should not be, but trying to act like you get to define what is a feature in CCP's game, instead of CCP themselves, is just... silly.

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a one-man jita war dec corp

The minute he gets online (hint: watchlist), find out where he is (hint: locator agent), and get cloaked eyes on him. Keep your corporation informed of his moves. If he gets inside 2 jumps of anyone, they either lock up or move away. He'll get bored and dec someone who does not yet have a clue pretty fast. When you do not have eyes on him, have everyone watch local, and stay docked if he is in system and report any sightings.
Dark Assassin15
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-06 17:26:01 UTC
Lets all hold hands and cry about it.

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