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Anaconda and Python mine BPO's missing

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#261 - 2012-04-04 07:09:30 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
I should look and see if my large rigged ships are still intact (especially my phantasm)

I have a bunch of faction frigates with large rigs that are still fitted with them and working just fine. I do not think, however, that the large rigs in any way give you an advantage anymore. They did at one time, but have since been rebalanced making them effectively the same as their small counterparts now. What has changed is the way the game deals with ships with "bonus" fittings. In some instances I have frigs that have an extra rig (3 when they are only supposed to have two) or 2 guns and 2 launchers on a frig that has been rebalanced and can now only fit say 2 guns. While those ships are still fitted thusly, they can't undock. I get an error saying something to the effect of "Your *ship* can only fit 2 rigs but has 3" or something to that effect.

I wonder if anyone has a ship that still has a warp core... that would be a neat thing to get. Entity?


Since they brought out sized rigs, it has never been an advantage. Before it was rig or not rigged. All the rigs give the same bonuses. I just am not near them atm and I really don't fly them. I keep them for posterity. Back then almost nobody rigged ships. I have two of the large rigged ships for collectible. One is a phantasm, the other is a purifier. Used to have a large rigged succubus too, but I learned the hard way about the burning down the hive epic part.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#262 - 2012-04-04 22:11:23 UTC
Bump, I believe my mine BPOs are still missing, but please correct me if I'm wrong...

These were legitimate collectors items. I believe I could have gotten about 5B for mine if I sold them slowly over 6 months, so it sort of sucks to have them disappear :\

Hell, I remember buying them off the market 6 years ago, it's not like these were brought into the game by bugs or mistakes. I was dirt poor and it was a decent investment for me at the time but I figured they would be worth something someday...
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#263 - 2012-04-04 22:31:18 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
I should look and see if my large rigged ships are still intact (especially my phantasm)

I have a bunch of faction frigates with large rigs that are still fitted with them and working just fine. I do not think, however, that the large rigs in any way give you an advantage anymore. They did at one time, but have since been rebalanced making them effectively the same as their small counterparts now. What has changed is the way the game deals with ships with "bonus" fittings. In some instances I have frigs that have an extra rig (3 when they are only supposed to have two) or 2 guns and 2 launchers on a frig that has been rebalanced and can now only fit say 2 guns. While those ships are still fitted thusly, they can't undock. I get an error saying something to the effect of "Your *ship* can only fit 2 rigs but has 3" or something to that effect.

I wonder if anyone has a ship that still has a warp core... that would be a neat thing to get. Entity?


Since they brought out sized rigs, it has never been an advantage. Before it was rig or not rigged. All the rigs give the same bonuses. I just am not near them atm and I really don't fly them. I keep them for posterity. Back then almost nobody rigged ships. I have two of the large rigged ships for collectible. One is a phantasm, the other is a purifier. Used to have a large rigged succubus too, but I learned the hard way about the burning down the hive epic part.

When multiple rig sizes were added, the drawbacks to shield sig radius for large shield rigs was less than that of the small counterparts, and likewise for the propulsion rigs and their drawbacks. Now they are all the same. I don't know when it changed tbqh but I do remember there was a slight advantage initially.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#264 - 2012-04-05 11:20:59 UTC
Dear CCP Greyscale, you did not mention what is going to happen to Mining Drone - UNUSED. We paid billions for these drones. Please give us a response!
Sydious
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#265 - 2012-04-05 11:50:34 UTC
Didn't he say it was coming back, but with a different name?
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#266 - 2012-04-05 13:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Entity
The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Greyscale, you did not mention what is going to happen to Mining Drone - UNUSED. We paid billions for these drones. Please give us a response!



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Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#267 - 2012-04-05 13:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Entity
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#268 - 2012-04-06 10:19:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Entity wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Greyscale, you did not mention what is going to happen to Mining Drone - UNUSED. We paid billions for these drones. Please give us a response!



l2readBlink

Goldfish memory?Roll


Perhaps I am being paranoid, but isn't Mining Drone - UNUSED unique in itself, and then there are Mining Drone - Improved and Mining Drone - Elite?

Or did Greyscale convert UNUSED to IMPROVED? I just finished the class on Derivatives so my head is not functioning properly. I apologize for the rebundancies.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#269 - 2012-04-06 10:45:54 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Entity wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Greyscale, you did not mention what is going to happen to Mining Drone - UNUSED. We paid billions for these drones. Please give us a response!



l2readBlink

Goldfish memory?Roll


Perhaps I am being paranoid, but isn't Mining Drone - UNUSED unique in itself, and then there are Mining Drone - Improved and Mining Drone - Elite?

Or did Greyscale convert UNUSED to IMPROVED? I just finished the class on Derivatives so my head is not functioning properly. I apologize for the rebundancies.


Nope. just "Elite" and "Improved - UNUSED".

There used to be a Mining Drone - Advanced too, but that type is now the Tech2 drone, iirc.

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#270 - 2012-04-06 16:58:00 UTC
Entity wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Entity wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Greyscale, you did not mention what is going to happen to Mining Drone - UNUSED. We paid billions for these drones. Please give us a response!



l2readBlink

Goldfish memory?Roll


Perhaps I am being paranoid, but isn't Mining Drone - UNUSED unique in itself, and then there are Mining Drone - Improved and Mining Drone - Elite?

Or did Greyscale convert UNUSED to IMPROVED? I just finished the class on Derivatives so my head is not functioning properly. I apologize for the rebundancies.


Nope. just "Elite" and "Improved - UNUSED".

There used to be a Mining Drone - Advanced too, but that type is now the Tech2 drone, iirc.


Ahhhhh!!!! Yea it's been a long time since I've checked the drone. As always, much appreciated for your help!

For some reason, I thought that there were "Mining Drone - Elite/Improved/UNUSED" haha
boomer1307
Cross Pond Inc
#271 - 2012-04-07 18:02:18 UTC
I want my Python mine BPO back...

but my large rigged ships still A O K
Jaden Mars
Cargo Dawg's Group Mining Corp.
#272 - 2012-04-08 18:24:02 UTC
I believe everyone [who has had their items go *poof*] has been more than patient in waiting on this to be fixed.

My suggestion is for everyone involved on this thread to PLEASE PETITION restoration of their items (and make sure that petition stays active by resubmitting under that same petition request every few days so it cannot be automatically closed).

Don't let this get swept under the rug.... make sure that it stays as a constant annoyance (as it is to us) until it is fixed.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease...
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-04-08 18:34:19 UTC
Jaden Mars wrote:
I believe everyone [who has had their items go *poof*] has been more than patient in waiting on this to be fixed.

My suggestion is for everyone involved on this thread to PLEASE PETITION restoration of their items (and make sure that petition stays active by resubmitting under that same petition request every few days so it cannot be automatically closed).

Don't let this get swept under the rug.... make sure that it stays as a constant annoyance (as it is to us) until it is fixed.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease...

They have said they will be restored.. So just let it be.. It's not like the items are just removed from our hangers, they are gone from the game.. So I give them till Escalation to add them back, properly test for any bugs, etc.

Harassing GM's who have no control over any of this is a waste of your time, and theirs..
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#274 - 2012-04-11 10:57:22 UTC
Latest update:

All the resurrected types (see earlier list) have been submitted and should be re-enabled on TQ in the Escalation release.

One of our DB guys is going to be sorting out the script for returning all the missing items to their owners in the next couple of weeks. This will likely be executed a day or two *after* Escalation, to minimize deployment-related risks.

We've recovered all the Mimir BPC run data, so no "additional" Mimirs will be created as a result of this situation.

Thanks again for your patience,
-Greyscale
Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#275 - 2012-04-11 13:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Raivi
CCP Greyscale wrote:

We've recovered all the Mimir BPC run data, so no "additional" Mimirs will be created as a result of this situation.


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Firsone
Deadly Alliance Corporation
#276 - 2012-04-16 18:31:30 UTC
I had a Python Mine BPO in a research job when it dissapeared. Only found out about this thread via a petition.
How would that BPO be returned to me if the lab or tower is removed? where would it be placed? and would we be notified via a in game mail or something that the BPO's have been returned?

I had another Python Mine BPO on a different toon that was researched to 1000 ME and 1000 PE. I did this research to make it more unique. Would it still have that research on it or wil it change to 0 research?
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#277 - 2012-04-16 19:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
I'm sorry, I fail to sympathize. I understand that collectors of rare items might not want those items removed, but getting in an uproar over something like this is a bit silly. You act like it was a personal affront to you and suddenly question your ability to trust CCP with your stuff in the future. Sorry, it's just maintenance guys, they weren't personally attacking you, it just happened.

Collecting items is all well and good, but they're never going to leave game and suddenly fill your storage locker. Paying rediculous sums of ISK for them is your choice of course, but you have to have rediculous sums of ISK to start with and I gather from that fact that your real expense was limited.

Someone else gets scammed for Billions when they only have marginally more ISK to start with and says something and everybody dogpiles them and tells them to gtfo and htfu. Well, I know you're part of this, so htfu. The items that aren't supposed to be there; I hope they stay gone. A tag of unused isn't history, it's an error. Either it needs to be renamed and replaced or deleted permanently, and I really don't care which.

On the other hand, I wouldn't pay 2 billion ISK for it and I think trying to sell it to someone else for that amount is a scam. Mines are a redundant collectible too in my opinion and generally just something to scam with. I have bought these collectibles before and you know what, I couldn't sell them for a handful of ISK afterwards so I ended up dumping them in a container and tossing them on contract with 99 other items for less than 50 million ISK. Every so called 'collectible' I've purchased has resulted in this.

Frankly I don't believe any of you really hold any value to these items other than what you can convince some other player it's worth to drag their ISK out of them.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2012-04-16 22:12:33 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I'm sorry, I fail to sympathize. I understand that collectors of rare items might not want those items removed, but getting in an uproar over something like this is a bit silly. You act like it was a personal affront to you and suddenly question your ability to trust CCP with your stuff in the future. Sorry, it's just maintenance guys, they weren't personally attacking you, it just happened.

Collecting items is all well and good, but they're never going to leave game and suddenly fill your storage locker. Paying rediculous sums of ISK for them is your choice of course, but you have to have rediculous sums of ISK to start with and I gather from that fact that your real expense was limited.

Someone else gets scammed for Billions when they only have marginally more ISK to start with and says something and everybody dogpiles them and tells them to gtfo and htfu. Well, I know you're part of this, so htfu. The items that aren't supposed to be there; I hope they stay gone. A tag of unused isn't history, it's an error. Either it needs to be renamed and replaced or deleted permanently, and I really don't care which.

On the other hand, I wouldn't pay 2 billion ISK for it and I think trying to sell it to someone else for that amount is a scam. Mines are a redundant collectible too in my opinion and generally just something to scam with. I have bought these collectibles before and you know what, I couldn't sell them for a handful of ISK afterwards so I ended up dumping them in a container and tossing them on contract with 99 other items for less than 50 million ISK. Every so called 'collectible' I've purchased has resulted in this.

Frankly I don't believe any of you really hold any value to these items other than what you can convince some other player it's worth to drag their ISK out of them.


No.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#279 - 2012-04-16 22:16:40 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I'm sorry, I fail to sympathize. I understand that collectors of rare items might not want those items removed, but getting in an uproar over something like this is a bit silly. You act like it was a personal affront to you and suddenly question your ability to trust CCP with your stuff in the future. Sorry, it's just maintenance guys, they weren't personally attacking you, it just happened.
The CCP guy who defended the removal of a bunch of items was proved to be wrong in his assumptions, and it shows that CCP puts people who don't have the experience needed in charge of things that are pretty damn important.
Mars Theran wrote:

Collecting items is all well and good, but they're never going to leave game and suddenly fill your storage locker. Paying rediculous sums of ISK for them is your choice of course, but you have to have rediculous sums of ISK to start with and I gather from that fact that your real expense was limited.
The same can be said for literally everything in a video game, and it is always bullshit. Think if, instead of just items, the program deleting things had been told to assume all accounts holding them were ex-GMs/exploiters, and delete the characters in question as well. Your argument is no more and no less valid in such a situation, is it?
Mars Theran wrote:

Someone else gets scammed for Billions when they only have marginally more ISK to start with and says something and everybody dogpiles them and tells them to gtfo and htfu. Well, I know you're part of this, so htfu. The items that aren't supposed to be there; I hope they stay gone. A tag of unused isn't history, it's an error. Either it needs to be renamed and replaced or deleted permanently, and I really don't care which.

I will underline this next point because of how absurdly important it is:

There is a HUGE difference between getting scammed by an eve player and getting scammed by an eve DEV.

The unused drones were already shown to be legitimately acquired, and they've been around so long that odds are most people who own them got them by spending large amounts of isk. There's no need to delete them, as they do nothing to ruin other people's gameplay, and a CCP employee deleting items because he couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes looking them up on google is a pretty damn good example of terrible customer service.
Mars Theran wrote:

On the other hand, I wouldn't pay 2 billion ISK for it and I think trying to sell it to someone else for that amount is a scam. Mines are a redundant collectible too in my opinion and generally just something to scam with. I have bought these collectibles before and you know what, I couldn't sell them for a handful of ISK afterwards so I ended up dumping them in a container and tossing them on contract with 99 other items for less than 50 million ISK. Every so called 'collectible' I've purchased has resulted in this.
Collectible items are notoriously hard to sell, it's like that in every game. But there ARE people willing to pay more for it, specifically because most people AREN'T stupid enough to sell them well under their value. It's supply/demand, like most other things. The price goes up because while the demand is low, the supply is lower.
Mars Theran wrote:

Frankly I don't believe any of you really hold any value to these items other than what you can convince some other player it's worth to drag their ISK out of them.
You can say that for literally any item in the game, barring those that only sell for their mineral costs (as determined by ship insurance payouts) and things with NPC buy orders. Since most things in this game do NOT sell for their insurance costs/NPC buy order prices, it's fairly safe to say that most items in the game cost what they do because people want to drag isk out of the guys buying things.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#280 - 2012-04-17 02:15:20 UTC
Actually, it has been my experience that many things just cost a lot to manufacture, either in time or ISK.

I got a little irritated earlier because this thread seemed to be filled with ISK rich players raging at the Devs and threatening to quit over the loss of what are essentially useless items. Am I wrong?

Not only that, but it was all really targeted at one Dev who stepped forward and admitted that during the course of his job he may have accidently caused the deletion of some items that weren't really supposed to be deleted and he would do what he could to return them as soon as possible. That's fine and explanation enough for me and apparently most others, but suddenly we have a lynch mob of excessively ISK rich players running about.

Really, it's a game and if there are items that were never meant to be held or owned by players in the hands of players then it is only sensible to remove them. I'm not talking about some mining drone, but other items that don't seem to have been mentioned here. No idea what they are.

The Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED may well have dropped, (hopefully without the UNUSED tag which would have indicated somebody should have reported it at the time), and be a valid game item. Fine, good for you, you had one and if you ask politely maybe you should get it back, but lets not have a dramatic scene of you torching the castle over it.

Here's what I get out of this: The Entity, professed Lord of Items raged at an EVE Dev over the loss of some items in his possesion that were effectively owned through illegitimate means then threatened to quit. Well, I have to say my respect level for the guy just dropped through the floor. How about you?

Don't persecute the Devs, they're just doing their jobs. If in the course of that process things happen that you don't like let it be known through the usual means and I'm sure-as in the past-they'll be more than happy to accomodate. No need for pitchforks and machetes I think, particularly aftrer they've already said they're working on fixing it.

Also, if it isn't intended to be in the game in players hands then there is no reason you should have it and no reason you should ever have expected to be able to keep it. Why buy it in the first place? Well, now you have owned it and can make that claim, (as can anyone else who wants to really), and I have to wonder if you got you ISKs worth.

I suppose with all the complaining you didn't but thenit's a bit like buying an F-35 and expecting the government to let you keep it in your garage even though you can't use it. Actually, that would make more sense, but I don't see how you could complain when they came and picked it up without so much as a "..by your leave." Kind of like keeping a Nuke in your basement really.
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