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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Sylia
Jita Surf Club
#201 - 2012-04-01 00:49:54 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I got banned during Unholy Rage even though my account was expired at the time, but hey I got it unbanned quick enough so nbd.


This sort of thing is worrying to me. I put a lot of effort into EVE and if I got banned by some script for suspicious behavior like donating isk to IRL friends, I'd be pretty pissed off.


I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)


If you've ever had to rely on a GM for anything iffy about this game you would be very worried now.
Taihbea
Doomheim
#202 - 2012-04-01 01:48:47 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"





Which real life boundarys are we talking about? The ones you crossed by attacking me personally, rather than my statement?

If you would like to discuss maturity, why not refute the argument, rather than attack the person behind the argument? Clearly you need to go back look the word up again. Oops




Read the post I replied to and then your response.

From my comment lets take out the word 'idiot' and replace it with 'hipocryte'. Better?
Siiee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#203 - 2012-04-01 02:05:55 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)


I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago. It took over a week for his petition to be resolved and was ultimately denied. He rejected several offers from corp mates to donate isk to cover his loss and PLEX'd his way back. He quit the game a few months later.

So forgive me if I am less gung-ho about your "No false positives, everyone gets taken care of" line as I was in the past.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#204 - 2012-04-01 02:07:46 UTC
CCP, keep it up.

The unfortunate truth is that anti-botting/RMT activity needs to be ramped up every single year that an MMO is out, or bots will destroy the economy eventually (and in Eve, that means the core of the game dies). Seriously, go back and play other MMOs from 10 years ago, many are simply ruined.

As an MMO vet, I think going after bots is more important than reducing lag, adding features, and improving graphics. The 2 leading causes of death in MMOs (behind failed launch) is self inflicted suicide (adding cash shops and making the game more casual, aka "cashing out" the game), and bots. It looks like CCP dodged the first with the recent restructuring and refocusing, so I'm glad to see CCP taking on the second Smile
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#205 - 2012-04-01 02:15:09 UTC
mechtech wrote:
CCP, keep it up.

The unfortunate truth is that anti-botting/RMT activity needs to be ramped up every single year that an MMO is out, or bots will destroy the economy eventually (and in Eve, that means the core of the game dies). Seriously, go back and play other MMOs from 10 years ago, many are simply ruined.

As an MMO vet, I think going after bots is more important than reducing lag, adding features, and improving graphics. The 2 leading causes of death in MMOs (behind failed launch) is self inflicted suicide (adding cash shops and making the game more casual, aka "cashing out" the game), and bots. It looks like CCP dodged the first with the recent restructuring and refocusing, so I'm glad to see CCP taking on the second Smile


Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.

Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.

This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.

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Z'Pax
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#206 - 2012-04-01 02:29:45 UTC
Lots of theories little facts.

Many going on about PL's huge income and "why".

Its about RMT, real money transactions.

NOT real money buying or selling exclusively.

For all we know it was internal selling of isk.

Good work ccp, keep the fraud to in game, where it belongs Big smile
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#207 - 2012-04-01 02:31:06 UTC
Siiee wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)


I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago. It took over a week for his petition to be resolved and was ultimately denied. He rejected several offers from corp mates to donate isk to cover his loss and PLEX'd his way back. He quit the game a few months later.

So forgive me if I am less gung-ho about your "No false positives, everyone gets taken care of" line as I was in the past.


He couldn't possibly be telling lies to his corp mates.

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Siiee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-04-01 03:15:26 UTC
Quote:
He couldn't possibly be telling lies to his corp mates.


And you obviously are in a superior position to vouch for his character.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2012-04-01 03:46:56 UTC
i'd like to know what all was taken, the value of what was taken and what regions these items were taken from for market purposes.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#210 - 2012-04-01 03:55:31 UTC
Thats a lot of real life money. Maybe this games getting too rich for my blood. Is something wrong with my numbers? like over half a million dollars at legit plex prices? NO wonder EVE feels like your banging your head up against the wall. You'd have to bot and RMT to really compete.

Great Job CCP. DOn't stop. You got a long way to go before the typical new player can realistically dream of victory. Level the playing fied.. balance. My subscription fee ought to be enough.
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#211 - 2012-04-01 04:22:11 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:


Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.

Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.

This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.


I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security

Hmmm
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2012-04-01 04:38:32 UTC
no i choose to believe that CCP Sreegs will place loyalty to a video game guild over his job and indeed his career as an IT security professional
Jita Alt666
#213 - 2012-04-01 04:46:25 UTC
Does this mean Trader John will finally be in a position to join PL?































Probably Not.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#214 - 2012-04-01 04:50:42 UTC
RMT tears sweetest tears.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#215 - 2012-04-01 05:06:53 UTC
If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Twisted
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2012-04-01 05:12:58 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Twisted

Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game.

:TWISTED :
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-04-01 05:23:56 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bloutok wrote:
If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Twisted

Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game.

:TWISTED :



You imply that he never ever met anyone and made RL friends.

For having a bunch of friends IRL who are professionals in domains where you are supposed not to talk about things, i can tell you that you are wrong if you think it makes them not human to the point where they never ever talk about anything they should not.

Starting with my mother who was a nurse in a psychiatric wing. You'd be surprised who ends up there sometimes........

For the records, i am 110% for the bans. My problem is that Goons and others seem to have been hit very little. Like no one, not even scrub#42 got hit. Like all the immoral people were in PL. But no one else.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#218 - 2012-04-01 05:33:37 UTC
15T isk is worth at least $400k

hahahahahahaaa...
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#219 - 2012-04-01 05:36:15 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.

Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.

This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.


I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security


But he is a goonie and teh gooniez are bad people and you haet them. Right?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#220 - 2012-04-01 05:37:36 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bloutok wrote:
If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Twisted

Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game.

:TWISTED :



You imply that he never ever met anyone and made RL friends.

For having a bunch of friends IRL who are professionals in domains where you are supposed not to talk about things, i can tell you that you are wrong if you think it makes them not human to the point where they never ever talk about anything they should not.

Starting with my mother who was a nurse in a psychiatric wing. You'd be surprised who ends up there sometimes........

For the records, i am 110% for the bans. My problem is that Goons and others seem to have been hit very little. Like no one, not even scrub#42 got hit. Like all the immoral people were in PL. But no one else.


FWIW, Test got hit p. hard.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]