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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Zhade Lezte
#801 - 2012-03-29 06:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Damion Rayne wrote:
Zhade Lezte wrote:
To make it clear to those who don't have a hateon for mitanni and a fondness for distorting the truth towards your own agenda while maintaining a facade of self-righteousness, CCP pretty much unequivocally removed Mitanni from the CSM as opposed to Mitanni resigning.

Our latest CEO update on the forums mentions how he has chosen to resign from the charimanship but continue to work within the CSM as a regular member. Then this devblog was posted.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that he willingly resigned from the CSM, if that was the case it would be written that he resigned from the chairmanship and the CSM, instead of having resigned from the chairmanship and "forfeited" his position on the CSM.

Naturally of course, CCP's PR department has made sure to make it not clear what the truth of the matter really is: the disenfranchisement of 10,058 voters.

I'm disappointed at this but not particularly surprised they would take such an action with the media shitstorm and likely pressure from Sony due to their presence at fanfest due to Dust, they are a company after all and they'll do unjust things if it seems important enough for their business interests. I'm glad to hear that the other representatives are likely going to remain in contact with The Mitanni in spite of CCP's cowardice and I hope they will bring forth the interests of The Mitanni's constituents in their interactions with CCP.

Hopefully CCP's apparent fear of Sony and the gaming media will not result in a reduction to the harsh universe that made me stay around in Eve and brought so many of us here. We shall see soon enough!


Do "Un Just" things? Un Just? Your'e glorious leader told people to force a man to kill himself, and you call CCPs' actions un just? News flash..

THE VERY EXISTENCE OF GOONSWARM IS UNJUST


I'm not sure how you got from Mitanni saying something that was definitely unjust, realizing this, and making amends to the best of his ability to "THE EXISTENCE OF GOONSWARM IS UNJUST!!1". CCP has failed to remove a player temp banned for RMTing from the CSM, and now removes Mitanni from the CSM, so it's pretty clear to me that while the ban may be fine, the boot from the CSM is a calculated move by CCP, likely under pressure from other entities.

Anyways, you are exactly the type of person I mentioned at the start of that post, so that's about as much of a reply as you're getting graced with.

I still maintain hope that CCP won't ruin the sandbox due to this event, as of now. We shall see.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#802 - 2012-03-29 06:53:18 UTC
CCP saves face with Sony/Nvidia and the media while simultaneously disregarding 10058 players. Way to take all that effort you put into fanfest about listening to the community and flushing it down the commode. You just cant make this **** up. The irony is so massive, it needs a double sized version of whatever container that held The Mittani's ego to store it in.
Kasumi Nakamoto
Treadstone71
#803 - 2012-03-29 06:57:46 UTC
Silly decision.

Remove leadership status if you must pander to the people who are clearly using this opportunity to settle old scores. Listening to players is one thing, jumping every time they say jump is another.

Also, can you judge personal actions on game rules? The guy was clearly inebriated, and he won't be the last person to say something idiotic while under the influence.

Re-instate him, he got 10,000 people interested enough to vote in an online game and for all his goonish behaviour was humble enough to apologise as soon as he realised his fault. D
Kai Pirinha
#804 - 2012-03-29 07:02:31 UTC
RDevz wrote:
You've disenfranchised 10,058 voters. Good job.

I hope you were speaking about that guy who got banned, and not CCP.

This is/was a totally unexceptable behaviour and he brought it all on himself.
Blaming CCP for this is just plain ridiculous because they didn't choose to misbehave. It was the guys fault and I'm glad that CCP took such actions and that they made it clear, that CSM are not above "the law" (above the EULA/TOS).

If anybody is to blame, it's the guy himself!

It's bad luck for the voters who trusted him, but he abused their trust.

Hello World
Josefine Drake
Pyramid Celestial
#805 - 2012-03-29 07:02:41 UTC
To anyone at CCP,

1. How is RL actions breaking a EULA/TOS?

2. You claimed to have seen and vetted the presentation and KNEW he was going to laugh at a particular character yet you are two faced about the entire thing and ban him.

3. He apologised, made restitution (isk), offered to step down from the chair and you still find a need to punish a democratically elected official?

Whom ever made this decision should lose their jobs at ccp. Worst customer service move ever.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#806 - 2012-03-29 07:06:39 UTC
New elections surely ?

Also, extending TOS/EULA to rl actions (granted actions that took place at a CCP event) is concerning to say the least.

In any case, Mittens for CSM 8 :)
Beidorion eldwardan
Tactically Armed Vanguard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#807 - 2012-03-29 07:06:50 UTC
one account down ( of mine ) 10 more to go

what to do with all that money im going to save.

this is even more ******** than the spacepants CCP.
fix it or loose it.

hm... where is the door again... there it is.... im out... i wanted to and soe rude words... but best not to get the big bad ccp screwups to ban anymore accounts from cfc.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#808 - 2012-03-29 07:18:49 UTC
Kasumi Nakamoto wrote:
Listening to players is one thing, jumping every time they say jump is another.

You mean that when CFC says "Nerf all Titans" that CCP shouldn't listen? Nice to know. P

This post (In the sense of what it conveys, not necessarily the post itself) can't be quoted enough:

Kai Pirinha wrote:
RDevz wrote:
You've disenfranchised 10,058 voters. Good job.

I hope you were speaking about that guy who got banned, and not CCP.

This is/was a totally unexceptable behaviour and he brought it all on himself.
Blaming CCP for this is just plain ridiculous because they didn't choose to misbehave. It was the guys fault and I'm glad that CCP took such actions and that they made it clear, that CSM are not above "the law" (above the EULA/TOS).

If anybody is to blame, it's the guy himself!

It's bad luck for the voters who trusted him, but he abused their trust.


The CFC were posting about "we voted, we have a voice" all the way through CSM6, now he disgraced you and you lost the voice you voted for. You could've voted for someone who wouldn't disgrace you. So far, all my 4 votes are represented.
Ishihiro tanaka
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#809 - 2012-03-29 07:34:08 UTC
Well, here we go again, after 9 years of seeing this tidal wave come and go, it never get old :) Let's see where we end up this time shall we?

Proud recruiter for the Goonswarm Federation. We have space for rent, contact me ingame! Supers for sale via the trusted third-party service of TheMittani. Dozens of satisfied customers bought or sold their super, join their ranks. Convo me!
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#810 - 2012-03-29 07:41:44 UTC
But isn't the mittani a "manipulative bastard"? I know all this is part of his plan and he'll come back stronger than before.

It sucks to be the mittani.
It sucks to be goon.
But sometimes, just in some well defined situations, you must behave.
Internet spaceships are serious businness... the mittani didn't take it as seriously as he should have done.

If CCP let him stay, the image of EVE would be hit really hard. Mittani, why were you so stupid? I was starting to like you.
Kara Balveda
Space-Time Laboratories
#811 - 2012-03-29 07:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Balveda
SuperBeastie wrote:
hold a new election or reinstate mittens. ~10058~ people agree with me.


More than that. I did not vote for The Mittani, knowing that Goons' votes would be enough to make him chairman, but instead voted my CEO into CSM7. Regardless, my reaction to CCP Navigator's post was a quick succession of denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. Acceptance just won't come.

Mittens should not be chairman of CSM7 after this. But he accepted that and acted on it, in a responsible way. In the meantime, CCP showed that they still suck big time.

What a pity. Crucible was a step in the right direction, Inferno was looking promising. Hell, I even wanted to do a Po2 and get me a second account on Saturday. But now, CCP is clearly back in Incarna mode, making very bad decisions under self-inflicted time pressure, not caring for the players' opinions, resulting in rage quits again. I hate it when it comes to forum whining like this post and rage quits like all the others I just read.

I expect that the people the players voted for are the people ending up as CSM, and that CCP does not disenfranchise the 10.058 voters of a guy who got more voters than the next two people together.
1Of9
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#812 - 2012-03-29 07:53:10 UTC
Thank you ccp.

You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again.

Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#813 - 2012-03-29 07:54:28 UTC
Kara Balveda wrote:
I expect that the people the players voted for are the people ending up as CSM, and that CCP does nt disenfranchise the 10.058 voters of a guy who got more voters than the next two people together.

I would expect that as well, so I wouldn't be too nice to my representative if he ruined my chance of being represented.

The Mittani got himself into this mess. He disenfranchised the 10.058 voters, if they really are disenfranchised (The CSM7 posts in this thread hints in another direction). He got elected with a clear mandate - who wouldn't call roughly 17% of the votes a mandate in cases like this? - and he screwed it up. He did apparently not think enough of that mandate to behave properly. He did not think enough of those 10.058 who voted for him to represent them.

And yet you're angry at CCP?
Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#814 - 2012-03-29 07:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Diamonica Norya
stop being naive and keep ranting about the 10k votes

the elected abused it
he took the position of the chairman for granted
he took it too far
he can't take alcohol
he breaks your trust
he crossed the line between a video game and real life
he was naive enough to think a forum apology will play well
he's naive enough to think that 10 billion virtual currency will buy his way out
he f'ed up CCP's PR image
he f'ed up other players' effort trying to bring Eve to more wider audience
he f'ed up your vote
he is filled with anger, fear, hate in his new speech that he actually didn't see all this coming
he has't learnt a thing
he's just another politician
he need to get himself and pets to actually really distinguish what RL and game life are and don't get too attached to a video game like they've shown to everyone else.

30 days ban is too generous
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#815 - 2012-03-29 08:02:08 UTC
I see lots of ppl stopping. Can i haz your stuff pls? This game will anyway be better without you, so pls dont look back.
About Mittani, well he did behave very very badly and bad behavior deserves a punishment. Only fault for those 10k votes gone bad is your chairmans fault and its really ******** to put it on CCP.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Josef Djugashvilis
#816 - 2012-03-29 08:11:14 UTC
Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit.
This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge.

Mittens admitted that he did wrong, so CCP had to act.

He could have been perma banned, so really he got off 'relatively' lightly

This is not a signature.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#817 - 2012-03-29 08:16:11 UTC
Two step wrote:
I disagree with this decision, and am working hard with CCP to make sure the 10,058 voters that voted for Alex have their voice heard.

More to come, just wanted to make sure I had a spot on the first page


I hope you are never forced to learn why you are wrong.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#818 - 2012-03-29 08:16:39 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit.
This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge.

Revenge on who?

The game is moving past the Goons, CCP fired the first serious shot at them today by banning Mittens.

The days of badass internet tough guys running Eve are going to come to an end. Sony is going to bring thousands of new players into the game as CCP goes mainstream. Those players aren't going to be interested in meta gaming, Reddit, 4Chan or Something Awful.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Beidorion eldwardan
Tactically Armed Vanguard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#819 - 2012-03-29 08:25:54 UTC
please dont ban me for the following post. it is only ment as food for thought and not a rage post

why are we only talking about what mittani is to have done wrong.


but isnt it also a violation against the eula/tos to treaten with killing yourselves unless another stops some ingame action. ?

im just saying that its not fair that we ONLY see this from one side. it al started with a person( who if serious needs immeadiate proffession help and attension) claiming to end his own life unless people stop shooting his icemining boats.

the comments the mittens made where bad but how come we have degenerated into saying that the other dude okay...

stop blaming mittens for a drunken slipup you holi-holly's and ban the suicide pilot as well, at least for the amount of time the ccp paid doctor needs to fix the guy...

ccp - that iceminer is adicted to your product !!! how about repairing that damage instead of creating a huge problem over a slipup

and to ccp - you have a game that is somewhat good, stop mixing reallife into it
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#820 - 2012-03-29 08:26:16 UTC
CCP, HTFU IRL.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos