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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
#761 - 2012-03-29 03:46:55 UTC
Diamonica Norya wrote:



30 days ban for someone who never logs in is not like hell, it's too light and lenient as the general public has felt already. he's only 30 something ish old and there's plenty of 30 days to live through, grow up and live this one already.




Then we both agree that a 30 day ban is redundant and pointless? I don't see how a real life action can carry consequences in game. This is just CCP doing a little bit of CYA. They can remove the guy from the CSM to make a point. For God's sake though. At least let those people revote. I'm sure there has to be some sort of policy for this...

On second thought, it is probably a little early to go up in rave about the re-vote thing. Nothing that CCP has said has eluded to the fact that there won't be a re-vote.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#762 - 2012-03-29 03:47:18 UTC
still waiting for jita to burn.......
Veinnail
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#763 - 2012-03-29 03:47:32 UTC
Considering the publicity, this entire headline was right in line with the "we're here to ruin this game" mantra..

falling in love with a game under the guise of destruction has created some rather twisted personalities.

stop playing forums-online, and get back into spaceships ffs.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#764 - 2012-03-29 03:48:43 UTC
lol fourm troll wrote:
still waiting for jita to burn.......


One month.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#765 - 2012-03-29 03:49:11 UTC
I don't think people who replied in this thread have the intention to start another anti-goon protest. In fact, if the goons and pets stop their meaningless posts and finger pointing, this thread wouldn't have end up in its current state.

but maybe it's the goons motto that any publicity is good publicity so they fearlessly continue posting their complaints about a decision a company made on a player's misconduct.

Bring on the Jita burning, you guys are surely busy in Branch still and gonna play with Raiden a bit longer eh? 28th April...that's a long time, no wonder Jita's temperature hasn't risen a bit, still cold and nothing interesting going on. Your rapid response team need to work harder, there's a deadline to meet!
Destrim
Movers n' Shakers
#766 - 2012-03-29 03:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Destrim
... methinks people are going a bit out of bounds here.

CCP did not remove him from the CSM, he resigned of his own volition. Thus, the people raging about "CCP just invalidated 10058 votes" are themselves making an invalid argument, since it was not CCP who performed that action, but the Mittani himself.

The ONLY thing CCP is responsible for is the 30-day ban, which amounts to a slap on the wrist.

*edited for grammar
Lamperouge Kasenumi
Doomheim
#767 - 2012-03-29 03:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lamperouge Kasenumi
minime92 wrote:
On an additional note the fact that a large portion of the player base no longer feel they are represented in the CSm is a little unfair, prehaps the many players who voted for Mittani should be allowed to revote, they could push another CSM member into the chair (Please God not Riviani).


Nah, it's all about risk and reward. The risk was The Mittani screwing up and getting kicked out, the reward was The Mittani keeping his position and influencing future CCP's decision to benefit the Goons. They lost their bets, now they have to live with it.
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#768 - 2012-03-29 03:55:35 UTC
Destrim wrote:
... methinks people are going a bit out of bounds here.

CCP did not remove him from the CSM, he resigned of his own volition. Thus, the people raging about "CCP just invalidated 10058 votes" are themselves an invalid argument, since it was not CCP who performed that action, but the Mittani himself.

The ONLY thing CCP is responsible for is the 30-day ban, which amounts to a slap on the wrist.


Incorrect, he resigned as CSM chair, which is not the same thing--it's a right of anyone elected to that office to step down from that office and remain as CSM member.
Destrim
Movers n' Shakers
#769 - 2012-03-29 03:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Destrim
Bacchanalian wrote:
Destrim wrote:
... methinks people are going a bit out of bounds here.

CCP did not remove him from the CSM, he resigned of his own volition. Thus, the people raging about "CCP just invalidated 10058 votes" are themselves an invalid argument, since it was not CCP who performed that action, but the Mittani himself.

The ONLY thing CCP is responsible for is the 30-day ban, which amounts to a slap on the wrist.


Incorrect, he resigned as CSM chair, which is not the same thing--it's a right of anyone elected to that office to step down from that office and remain as CSM member.


"He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7" -from the devblog post.

Both actions were voluntary.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#770 - 2012-03-29 04:00:25 UTC
Lamperouge Kasenumi wrote:
minime92 wrote:
On an additional note the fact that a large portion of the player base no longer feel they are represented in the CSm is a little unfair, prehaps the many players who voted for Mittani should be allowed to revote, they could push another CSM member into the chair (Please God not Riviani).


Nah, it's all about risk and reward. The risk was The Mittani screwing up and getting kicked out, the reward was The Mittani keeping his position and influencing future CCP's decision to benefit the Goons. They lost their bets, now they have to live with it.


Oh please you're going to be bleating in a month again when the Jita undock is filled with freighter wrecks anyway

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#771 - 2012-03-29 04:01:00 UTC
even i sat through his address to the goons,

he left the CSM by his own choice, you people need to lay off the koolaid
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#772 - 2012-03-29 04:01:57 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
even i sat through his address to the goons,

he left the CSM by his own choice, you people need to lay off the koolaid


He hasn't confirmed that, FYI

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#773 - 2012-03-29 04:01:59 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
Wolfgang Helm wrote:


Ban yes, remove from chair yes - removal from CSM was too far.




you are aware that the Ban is what makes him getting kicked form csm right?


It didn't get Krutoj kicked from the CSM.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
#774 - 2012-03-29 04:04:32 UTC
Well, since we cleared that up I guess this can now be a burn jita thread.


I also need to go pay my parking tickets. Wouldn't want for the parking po-po to write someone and get me banned.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#775 - 2012-03-29 04:06:00 UTC
As mittens itself said:

DEAL WITH IT!

he resigned himself, he was not forced to resign.
Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#776 - 2012-03-29 04:11:49 UTC
Minister of Death wrote:
Valk Enaka wrote:
Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.

You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election?


It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz.

Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.

I have said already that I did not think what mittens did was right, but he did try to make it right on his part.

I do blame CCP for completely blowing off the more than 10k votes. They make a joke out of the whole CSM voting process when they do something like that.

And now Jita will burn! Twisted
Minister of Death
Colossus Enterprises
#777 - 2012-03-29 04:15:19 UTC
Valk Enaka wrote:


I do blame CCP for completely blowing off the more than 10k votes.


Would it be possible to consider a paraphrase of the above as:

"I am disappointed in myself for voting for a jackass who wasted my valuable vote."?
Lamperouge Kasenumi
Doomheim
#778 - 2012-03-29 04:26:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lamperouge Kasenumi wrote:
minime92 wrote:
On an additional note the fact that a large portion of the player base no longer feel they are represented in the CSm is a little unfair, prehaps the many players who voted for Mittani should be allowed to revote, they could push another CSM member into the chair (Please God not Riviani).


Nah, it's all about risk and reward. The risk was The Mittani screwing up and getting kicked out, the reward was The Mittani keeping his position and influencing future CCP's decision to benefit the Goons. They lost their bets, now they have to live with it.


Oh please you're going to be bleating in a month again when the Jita undock is filled with freighter wrecks anyway


Will I? Or will I be enjoying the show just like I am right now?
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#779 - 2012-03-29 04:45:49 UTC
I am sad to see this resolution but we need to move on.

I do hope that the Mittani returns in 30 days
I hope the goons remain being goons and don't disolve or leave.

I hope the CSM represents the "Whole" eve community including the goons and listen to the community and not the angry mob mentality.

I also hope that appropriate procedures are in place to prevent accidental action in the future at any player created content.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Zhade Lezte
#780 - 2012-03-29 04:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
To make it clear to those who don't have a hateon for mitanni and a fondness for distorting the truth towards your own agenda while maintaining a facade of self-righteousness, CCP pretty much unequivocally removed Mitanni from the CSM as opposed to Mitanni resigning.

Our latest CEO update on the forums mentions how he has chosen to resign from the charimanship but continue to work within the CSM as a regular member. Then this devblog was posted.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that he willingly resigned from the CSM, if that was the case it would be written that he resigned from the chairmanship and the CSM, instead of having resigned from the chairmanship and "forfeited" his position on the CSM.

Naturally of course, CCP's PR department has made sure to make it not clear what the truth of the matter really is: the disenfranchisement of 10,058 voters.

I'm disappointed at this but not particularly surprised they would take such an action with the media shitstorm and likely pressure from Sony due to their presence at fanfest due to Dust, they are a company after all and they'll do unjust things if it seems important enough for their business interests. I'm glad to hear that the other representatives are likely going to remain in contact with The Mitanni in spite of CCP's cowardice and I hope they will bring forth the interests of The Mitanni's constituents in their interactions with CCP.

Hopefully CCP's apparent fear of Sony and the gaming media will not result in a reduction to the harsh universe that made me stay around in Eve and brought so many of us here. We shall see soon enough!