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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#481 - 2012-03-29 01:58:23 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

I knew taking a stand would put my alliance at risk and already there is talk of my alliance being war-dec-ed permanently by the goons. This really will show that mittens has no remorse for his acts if he does go through with it. That he didn't see what he did as wrong and the apology was just one more act of clever manipulation to skirt the consequences of acing out.




You decided to be a political opportunist in a matter that did not involve you. Now I and other goons will be pushing for a wardec so we can burn your alliance to the ground.

I think an appropriate fate for you would be for us to ruin the gameplay of everyone in your alliance while we make it absolutely clear that we're doing this because of your inability to control yourself. I don't know if this will happen, but there's absolutely nothing you can do about it at this point.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#482 - 2012-03-29 02:02:10 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler


Once again, you could start by talking with the rest of the CSM first before publicly posting on critical situations. You would probably have a better idea of how it might work.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#483 - 2012-03-29 02:04:03 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler


Your tone has changed considerably? WTF happened? Reading back a bit...

Hope you didn't attract TEST's attention. TEST is like a drunk, fat, greasy date with Herpes who sorta just shows up and leaves shortly after the rest of your alliance mates leave.
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2012-03-29 02:04:57 UTC
Time Funnel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler


Your tone has changed considerably? WTF happened? Reading back a bit...

Hope you didn't attract TEST's attention. TEST is like a drunk, fat, greasy date with Herpes who sorta just shows up and leaves shortly after the rest of your alliance mates leave.



She's attracted a whole lot of attention I'd say, which was probably her original attention. Unfortunately for her, her alliance has too.
Cyrina Manto
RBS Inc.
#485 - 2012-03-29 02:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrina Manto
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

I knew taking a stand would put my alliance at risk and already there is talk of my alliance being war-dec-ed permanently by the goons. This really will show that mittens has no remorse for his acts if he does go through with it. That he didn't see what he did as wrong and the apology was just one more act of clever manipulation to skirt the consequences of acing out.




You decided to be a political opportunist in a matter that did not involve you. Now I and other goons will be pushing for a wardec so we can burn your alliance to the ground.

I think an appropriate fate for you would be for us to ruin the gameplay of everyone in your alliance while we make it absolutely clear that we're doing this because of your inability to control yourself. I don't know if this will happen, but there's absolutely nothing you can do about it at this point.


So much this.

This was a CCP PR issue, NOT a CSM issue. CSM should have HTFU until CCP made a decision, they are NOT supposed to have any directional input on the matter.

The Mittani was not affecting gameplay, ship balance, or the direction of development with his statement. He was just being a drunken douche. CCP gets to decide his fate due to it being in a public venue, the CSM itself has no say and should not try to abuse its power in such a situation.

My hat goes off to the CSM members who let CCP deal with the issue themselves without trying to start a public uproar. Trying to threaten a whole BUSINESS for your politics is childish and selfish.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#486 - 2012-03-29 02:09:51 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler


Once again, you could start by talking with the rest of the CSM first before publicly posting on critical situations. You would probably have a better idea of how it might work.


Wow Hans, I was on the Skype chat for about 6 hours total yesterday and no one brought anything related to this up. You were there all the time. Great chats about guns, food and stuff.

But, sure,

Issler
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#487 - 2012-03-29 02:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Time Funnel
Issler Dainze wrote:


Wow Hans, I was on the Skype chat for about 6 hours total yesterday and no one brought anything related to this up. You were there all the time. Great chats about guns, food and stuff.

But, sure,

Issler


Public flippancy. Wonderful. I encourage you to continue this sort of behavior. You are doing fine.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#488 - 2012-03-29 02:14:40 UTC
Cyrina Manto wrote:
This was a CCP PR issue, NOT a CSM issue. CSM should have HTFU until CCP made a decision, they are NOT supposed to have any directional input on the matter.

The Mittani was not affecting gameplay, ship balance, or the direction of development with his statement. He was just being a drunken douche. CCP gets to decide his fate due to it being in a public venue, the CSM itself has no say and should not try to abuse its power in such a situation.

My hat goes off to the CSM members who let CCP deal with the issue themselves without trying to start a public uproar. Trying to threaten a whole BUSINESS for your politics is childish and selfish.


This guy gets it.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#489 - 2012-03-29 02:18:54 UTC
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

I knew taking a stand would put my alliance at risk and already there is talk of my alliance being war-dec-ed permanently by the goons. This really will show that mittens has no remorse for his acts if he does go through with it. That he didn't see what he did as wrong and the apology was just one more act of clever manipulation to skirt the consequences of acing out.




You decided to be a political opportunist in a matter that did not involve you. Now I and other goons will be pushing for a wardec so we can burn your alliance to the ground.

I think an appropriate fate for you would be for us to ruin the gameplay of everyone in your alliance while we make it absolutely clear that we're doing this because of your inability to control yourself. I don't know if this will happen, but there's absolutely nothing you can do about it at this point.


So much this.

This was a CCP PR issue, NOT a CSM issue. CSM should have HTFU until CCP made a decision, they are NOT supposed to have any directional input on the matter.

The Mittani was not affecting gameplay, ship balance, or the direction of development with his statement. He was just being a drunken douche. CCP gets to decide his fate due to it being in a public venue, the CSM itself has no say and should not try to abuse its power in such a situation.

My hats go off to the CSM members who let CCP deal with the issue themselves without trying to start a public uproar. Trying to threaten a whole BUSINESS for your politics is childish and selfish.


I threatened a whole business??? Wow, now that is the furthest stretch to date. You need to take a step back and remember who did the thing what caused this whole ruckus.

How can this not be a CSM issue? It goes to the very issue of CSM member accountability and credibility with the player base. Players were calling on the CSM to share their opinions on the matter. Some did. Some choose not to. I did exactly what I promised if elected, I was honest and transparent.

I did what I was elected to do. More people get than than not.

Issler
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#490 - 2012-03-29 02:19:18 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Great chats about guns, food and stuff.


Guns! I love guns. Please tell me more!
Frying Doom
#491 - 2012-03-29 02:20:31 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Cyrina Manto wrote:
This was a CCP PR issue, NOT a CSM issue. CSM should have HTFU until CCP made a decision, they are NOT supposed to have any directional input on the matter.

The Mittani was not affecting gameplay, ship balance, or the direction of development with his statement. He was just being a drunken douche. CCP gets to decide his fate due to it being in a public venue, the CSM itself has no say and should not try to abuse its power in such a situation.

My hat goes off to the CSM members who let CCP deal with the issue themselves without trying to start a public uproar. Trying to threaten a whole BUSINESS for your politics is childish and selfish.


This guy gets it.

But another member of the CSM posted in the general discussions that they would issue a statement about this. And it wasn't Hans or Issler or darius.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#492 - 2012-03-29 02:20:52 UTC
Time Funnel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler


Your tone has changed considerably? WTF happened? Reading back a bit...

Hope you didn't attract TEST's attention. TEST is like a drunk, fat, greasy date with Herpes who sorta just shows up and leaves shortly after the rest of your alliance mates leave.


My position on mittens and what CCP did hasn't. I do realize a large group of players now feel unrepresented and I think that is the sad reality of the result of someone's very poor judgement.

Issler
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#493 - 2012-03-29 02:21:47 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

Wow Hans, I was on the Skype chat for about 6 hours total yesterday and no one brought anything related to this up. You were there all the time. Great chats about guns, food and stuff.



Well, stuff happens fast. The stuff everyone is talking about now, like the dev blog and what that means for CSM7, happened after the fun chats. That's why I'm recommending checking in with the CSM before making casual public comments. It's totally fine if you can't be on Skype all day, just please try to wait till you get home and get up speed, than comment away.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#494 - 2012-03-29 02:22:42 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


I threatened a whole business??? Wow, now that is the furthest stretch to date. You need to take a step back and remember who did the thing what caused this whole ruckus.

How can this not be a CSM issue? It goes to the very issue of CSM member accountability and credibility with the player base. Players were calling on the CSM to share their opinions on the matter. Some did. Some choose not to. I did exactly what I promised if elected, I was honest and transparent.

I did what I was elected to do. More people get than than not.

Issler


Yeah I have to admit I am with Issler on this. You are not going to get Issler to budge using silly tricks or threats, advice or different opinions.

Take a stand and let NOBODY tell you what to do. Go get 'em tiger!
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#495 - 2012-03-29 02:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Time Funnel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Great chats about guns, food and stuff.


Guns! I love guns. Please tell me more!


At one point I used to help a casual friend that owned a large collection of machine guns put on "club" shooting weekends with a lot of automatic weapons out in the deserts of AZ. I mentioned one of these days I will get around to owning a BAR.

I'm not sure why I'd ever need one, but if I did find I needed one I can't think of an easy substitue! Big smile

Issler
Cyrina Manto
RBS Inc.
#496 - 2012-03-29 02:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrina Manto
Frying Doom wrote:
]
But another member of the CSM posted in the general discussions that they would issue a statement about this. And it wasn't Hans or Issler or darius.


And when was this post made?
Did they post anything before the banhammer?

Also, CSM is not here to discuss politics, it is here to help the direction of enhancements to the game. The only involvement the CSM should have had was discussing any beefing up (or clarification) of the ToS and EULA in the aftermath.

And if a CSM member was unhappy that it was not brought up in Skype chat... WHY DID THEY NOT BRING IT UP THEMSELVES. (as opposed to political sniping on the forums)
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#497 - 2012-03-29 02:25:48 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


At one point I used to help a casual friend that owned a large collection of machine guns put on "club" shooting weekends with a lot of automatic weapons out in the deserts of AZ. I mentioned one of these days I will get around to owning a BAR.

I'm not sure why I'd ever need one, but if I did find I needed one I can't think of an easy substitue! Big smile

Issler


So coy. You old rascal you.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#498 - 2012-03-29 02:29:47 UTC
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
]
But another member of the CSM posted in the general discussions that they would issue a statement about this. And it wasn't Hans or Issler or darius.


And when was this post made?
Did they post anything before the banhammer?

Also, CSM is not here to discuss politics, it is here to help the direction of enhancements to the game. The only involvement the CSM should have had was discussing any beefing up (or clarification) of the ToS and EULA in the aftermath.

And if a CSM member was unhappy that it was not brought up in Skype chat... WHY DID THEY NOT BRING IT UP THEMSELVES.


Because, honestly I was happy with the posts I made. My only regret was that I made comments that were unfairly critical of the CSM that had chosen to not share their opinions, it was their right not to respond. My posts accurately represented what I was asked by players to share.

Issler
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#499 - 2012-03-29 02:30:47 UTC
Frankly I was disgusted by the CSM members who failed to recognize that The Mittani staying on the CSM was never an option from the second he opened his mouth and inserted his foot at the panel. You all played it safe and waited to see what would happen. I would have thought it was pressure from CCP to remain silent had it not been for Issler out here raising cane about it like EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING.

Frankly, in my opinion the only right thing to do would have been to demand his immediate termination from the CSM and failing that, resigned from an organization that would clearly have become a mockery had he been allowed to stay. If I were Issler I would be embarrassed to work with any of you at this point. Absolutely weak and sad advocacy of what Alex did through silence. Or maybe it was just your own cowardice or fear of Alex. Either way, you're not fit to represent yourselves, not to mention the Eve community.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/

Cyrina Manto
RBS Inc.
#500 - 2012-03-29 02:32:48 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


Because, honestly I was happy with the posts I made. My only regret was that I made comments that were unfairly critical of the CSM that had chosen to not share their opinions, it was their right not to respond. My posts accurately represented what I was asked by players to share.

Issler



Yes, but you should have held your tongue until CCP had handed down punishment.

And threatening a business, was referencing the people trying to get SONY involved, effectively trying to hold DUST ransom for their cause.