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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#581 - 2012-03-29 00:34:47 UTC
The last thing you ever want to do in EVE-Online is give goons & friends a cause to rally behind. We saw this most recently in the Branch invasion, which took under twenty days to completion, and perhaps most famously in the legendary threadnaught.

Unfortunately, we have a cause to rally behind.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#582 - 2012-03-29 00:35:02 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Andski wrote:
The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable.


no its only 3% of the voting base!

get over your self goon...

seriously!

one year and then its all mittenz again... yayRoll




Nope. Representation or bust - that's the way we roll.

Then bust it is.. for the goons...
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#583 - 2012-03-29 00:35:12 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Rebecca Aventine wrote:
I didn't envy Alex or CCP when this broke.

I respect Alex a great deal for making his apology, but regretably this was always the most realistic outcome.


What makes this bad is that CCP yanked the CSM's chain. They sent one message to the CSM and then quite another entirely as their official position. The fallout wouldn't be nearly so bad without that misstep.

-Liang



The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest.

This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#584 - 2012-03-29 00:35:47 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
The funny side to this is that CCP itself just guaranteed that "Kill yourself, in game." will be the most common insult in the galaxy for the next six weeks.


fix'd
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#585 - 2012-03-29 00:35:52 UTC
Heathkit wrote:
~ 10,058 ~


The amount of votes your WIZARD made disappear.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#586 - 2012-03-29 00:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic link removed. Spitfire
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#587 - 2012-03-29 00:37:20 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest.

This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent.


So you're saying that almost the entire group of player elected representatives still represent the players less that you do because...?

Is it internet space likes?
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#588 - 2012-03-29 00:37:31 UTC
Incidentally, I think CCP owe me a ban. If what you do out of game at fanfest is subject to the EULA, I violated it by impersonating Mittani throughout the week.
James Henry Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#589 - 2012-03-29 00:37:35 UTC
I think CCP may and should consider the option of completely dissolving the CSM. It may be the fairest and most logical solution based on what happened last year with the Fearless scandal and that players want CCP to be as transparent with their future ideas and changes as possible.

Let's be honest, CSM6 and CSM7 are mostly people elected who represent groups of people who were formed out of the game through other websites and forums ("Something Awful", "Reddit", etc...), and they care more about their own clique than everyone else. If EVE Online ceases to exist, they will still have their clique and they will just find another game or activity to join.

Also, a group of a few players representing everyone who pays for EVE Online doesn't really fit with what EVE Online is supposed to be about: doing WHATEVER YOU want to do to become as powerful as possible (within the EULA/TOS). Other MMOs and multiplayer-based games that are more restricted in how you can play the game would work better with councils or advisors that act as intermediates between the players and the company, but ALL players should be able to tell CCP what they want with EVE Online and not have it filtered by people that may not share their views.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#590 - 2012-03-29 00:37:46 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Then bust it is.. for the goons...


You do not want to know how things end when we go "bust" friend

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#591 - 2012-03-29 00:38:04 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest.

This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent.


So you're saying that almost the entire group of player elected representatives still represent the players less that you do because...?

Is it internet space likes?

I think the youtube clip says it better than :words:
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#592 - 2012-03-29 00:38:08 UTC
Bacchanalian wrote:
Incidentally, I think CCP owe me a ban. If what you do out of game at fanfest is subject to the EULA, I violated it by impersonating Mittani throughout the week.


Nobody really cares since you don't represent anyone but yourself.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#593 - 2012-03-29 00:38:19 UTC
Not surprising. You let him step down and not be kicked from CSM. Then you BAN him for only a month... He got off easy. He is lucky to have an account.


" As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review. "

Seriously?

As for the rest of the CSM saying you have issues with him being kicked... Do you even realize what he got kicked for? You have no leg to stand on about him being gone because the X chairperson knocked it from under you himself.

Cya in space in a month...
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#594 - 2012-03-29 00:38:29 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
The last thing you ever want to do in EVE-Online is give goons & friends a cause to rally behind. We saw this most recently in the Branch invasion, which took under twenty days to completion, and perhaps most famously in the legendary threadnaught.

Unfortunately, we have a cause to rally behind.


Have you guys realize your actions will be fueling even more CCP revenue with publicity and embargos and power to the player etc bringing more subscriptions right ?
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#595 - 2012-03-29 00:39:05 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:


The CSM reached a wrong decision.

So in essence you're saying the CSM is powerless? Good to know CCP of 8 months ago is back.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
Della Monk
Monastery of Drakes
#596 - 2012-03-29 00:39:39 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest.


Then CCP should have told them this?
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#597 - 2012-03-29 00:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic link removed. Spitfire
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#598 - 2012-03-29 00:39:52 UTC
who knew the goons in csm might be trouble and that their leader might be any better than them?

*gasps*

told ya so

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#599 - 2012-03-29 00:39:52 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Rebecca Aventine wrote:
I didn't envy Alex or CCP when this broke.

I respect Alex a great deal for making his apology, but regretably this was always the most realistic outcome.


What makes this bad is that CCP yanked the CSM's chain. They sent one message to the CSM and then quite another entirely as their official position. The fallout wouldn't be nearly so bad without that misstep.

-Liang



The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest.

This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent.



Jade, so democracy only works when you agree with the conclusions? The CSM was going to talk about what they decided, including removing Mittens, this was cut short by CCP. What kind of independent body is the CSM now?
stupid monkey
Digital Mercenaries Inc.
#600 - 2012-03-29 00:39:53 UTC
oh man.. JITA GONNNA BURRRRRNNNNN