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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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buck herrick
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2012-03-28 23:50:10 UTC
any more?
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#422 - 2012-03-28 23:50:13 UTC
so does the eula/tos cover ts/mumble/vent cuz i might have a few recordings to sumit. what about the fanfest Audience if i record them at the event. can i get them banned? is it just the ccp event, ingame stuff and forums? what about other places does it cover me talking to someone at my house?

i think the eula/tos need to be made clearer. if the eula/tos cover something people should be made to sign it before there allowed there. u have to sign before u get ingame and to use the forums but do u have to sign before fanfest? ccp are using the eula/tos to ban but this is out of the scope of the eula/tos.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#423 - 2012-03-28 23:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Townsend Harris
May O'Neez wrote:
Quote:
Hey Moron, Plex doesn't appear out of nowhere, someone, somewhere pays for it.


You've got a point, my bad. But I stay polite :) I did'nt want to offend anyone.
Still I'd be curious of the ratio generated / paid / etc, but it's kinda out of context. My background remark was mainly: CSM voting system is not an actual image of the player base.



I want to offend you. You're dumb.
PLEX. NOT. GENERATED. The only time it appears out of thin air is for buddy program subscriptions. EVERY other plex in game is bought, with real money.
If CSM voting doesn't reflect players maybe those other players need to....vote maybe?

Quote:
If PLEX had no monetary value CCP wouldn't be making money selling them.


They don't do it for money, they do it to fight against RMT ...[/quote]
I'm not sure you understand how this whole business thing works....
Wolfgang Helm
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#424 - 2012-03-28 23:50:34 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
Wolfgang Helm wrote:


Ban yes, remove from chair yes - removal from CSM was too far.




you are aware that the Ban is what makes him getting kicked form csm right?


actually - just checked the rules - violating the EULA or being banned does not require kicking from CSM
Grogoth Drem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#425 - 2012-03-28 23:50:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
Rebnok wrote:
you are stupid,( In game) and well tbfh rl also, but they don't temp ban for rmt


Ask Krutoj about that.


I did, he was temp banned DURING INVESTIGATION, found innocent, freed.

we ALL know what mittens did

(in game)
Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#426 - 2012-03-28 23:50:50 UTC
This is pretty shameful on CCP's part.
Oliver Duncan
B0rthole
#427 - 2012-03-28 23:50:56 UTC
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made.


Nope, we're all going to stay, because we love you so much. Love you enough that we will suicide gank your ships and ********************************************************* yourself.
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#428 - 2012-03-28 23:51:33 UTC
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.



As another European I can freely call you fascist dog. Europe has benefits but fascist **** laws for censorship of speech are not it. At the same time as you have to ***** foot around serious issues we all get butt raped by our dear politicians but hey they are at least preventing us to say thing they don't like. This is one thing where europe should take after US instead of introducing just more and more idiotic censorship laws.


clearly I disagree with you, so does the law fortunatly, did you think the muamba sentence was unfair then?
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#429 - 2012-03-28 23:52:20 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hulemand wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
CCP,

Can you confirm you were also holding everyone who just happened to be on camera at fanfest accountable to the TOS/EULA? Family members / spouses who don't play the game .. the press .. ?

I am struggling to see how you can possibly think your terms of service apply to what someone says out of game, on camera when it is YOU and your providers who choice what is broadcast and when.

There is absolutely NO legal precedent for it.


What legal precedence do they need? None!


Yeah, because that line works well when a lawsuit lands.

Stop trying to think, you're in Raiden.


that would be the funniest lawsuit ever filled
stop acting like a ....

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#430 - 2012-03-28 23:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic link removed. Spitfire
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#431 - 2012-03-28 23:52:40 UTC
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made.

I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member.


I bet not even 10 percent of them unsub.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#432 - 2012-03-28 23:52:59 UTC
The whole thing from beginning to end is very lame. A grown man that needs to get his life together and grab hold of some semblance of perspective, The Mittani's boorish behavior and making an ass of himself at the Panel along with a few other drunks, The over the top silly ramblings of the "stop cyber bullying" crowd encouraged of course by opportunistic anti Mittens/Goons people, and finally CCP caving into nonsense and promising nanny state political correctness at future Fanfests. ..I and the rest of the space ship nerds are waiting for some real solid info on Inferno instead of reading about this bullshit.
Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#433 - 2012-03-28 23:53:00 UTC
Grogoth Drem wrote:
Andski wrote:
The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable.


you mis-typed 3% of subscribers

it is your own dumb fault for not vote splitting and EASILLY getting 3 csm spots

(in game)


They said 20% of voters, dumbshit, not 20% of subscribers.
End Of Time
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#434 - 2012-03-28 23:53:10 UTC
CCP only Banned him... He stepped down of his own will.

The Mittani wrote:
Though I have received many letters of support (my inbox is full of these, and for them I thank you) and the major bloggers have called for me to remain on as Chair, there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.

With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.

As the leader of Goonswarm I must be willing to make ruthless decisions and take actions that many players find objectionable - griefing, ganking, scamming, 'dishonorable' fleet tactics, espionage, metagaming, blowing up everyone who tries to mine Gallente Ice, sponsoring Hulkageddon, et cetera - whatever it takes to defend my people in this, the most exceedingly hostile galaxy to grace the internet. As Darius JOHNSON, the previous Goonswarm leader once said, "[Goonswarm] is not here to destroy /the/ game, but /your/ game.

Yet as Chairman of the CSM and Alexander Gianturco, I need to put a good face on CCP's experimental player democracy and keep my nose clean. Inevitably, these two roles conflict with one another; when Goonswarm does what it does in EVE, this reflects on the CSM as a whole, purely due to my position as both Chairman and alliance leader. If I abandon the brutalist tactics of an alliance leader in hopes of keeping the CSM's image pristine, I hamstring my people ingame and do a disservice to the line members who rely on me. In addition, the enemies of Goonswarm assault the CSM and CCP itself unfairly due to the in-game actions of our alliance.

After the successful restructuring of CCP, I am convinced that most of the hard work of the CSM is already done - CCP is now focusing on spaceships instead of avatars, and the success of CSM6 has led to a solid and competent crop of player representatives in CSM7 with a much greater turnout, demonstrating ever-more faith and trust from the playerbase in the concept of the CSM. This changes things for the CSM, as well as the Chairman title

During Goonswarm's highly successful Gallente Ice Interdiction there were calls for my resignation as Chairman; those calls increased when Goonswarm began to use false supercap sales as a method of closing the gap between us and our in-game enemies' supercap fleets. We are now planning an attempt to destroy Jita itself. All of these actions are entirely legitimate within the brutal world of EVE, yet, in the coming months, if I continue to hold the title of Chairman, CCP will be enduring one PR nightmare after another as Goonswarm's in-game actions unfairly reflect back upon the CSM as a whole through the Chairman title. It is increasingly important that the Chair be a ‘good citizen’ in the game itself - and I cannot be a good citizen and simultaneously lead my alliance of magnificent bastards.

With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair. As a member of the CSM without a title, what I do as the leader of Goonswarm will no longer unfairly reflect on the CSM as a whole - leaving me and my people free to do as we please without needing to consider corporate, political, or media ramifications every time we make a **** joke, offend someone, or sell a supercap made of vapor.

Selyna Ferenzcy
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#435 - 2012-03-28 23:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Selyna Ferenzcy
You guys are seriously riding the Drama Llama. Get over it. When a public figure makes an ass out of themselves, sometimes they have to eat their own sh*t. Your idle/pathetic threats are laughable and a waste of the arm strength it took to type them.

I do feel the apology was enough and we should just chalk it up as a mistake but you guys are taking it way too far. I used to think that the average age of EVE players was a bit higher...

Here, here Xorv
Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#436 - 2012-03-28 23:53:20 UTC
According to this liberal interpretation of the EULA/TOS then 98% of EVE players would have been banned a long time ago.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#437 - 2012-03-28 23:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#438 - 2012-03-28 23:53:37 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made.

I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member.


I bet not even 10 percent of them unsub.


I was already unsubbed because of PLEX

(in game)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#439 - 2012-03-28 23:53:53 UTC
Rebnok wrote:
Joepopo wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
So what goons are saying is that 10058 votes gives people the right to break rules/laws/ethics amirite?


You're a NPC alt. Get out.

I am not lol 10,058 GUUD FIGHT



nah just a pathetic loser who was going to kill himself after that titan nerf. CCP should ban themselves for trying to get PL to commit mass suicide.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#440 - 2012-03-28 23:54:00 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
You can't? Two Step is TEST seems normal to me.


You misspelled AHARM.

in-game

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar