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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#461 - 2012-03-28 22:14:49 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Out of interest, are you content with what has happened (his declination of chair), and are you prepared to move forward with the CSM and work for the benefit of the game? Or are you going to sit in the corner with Darius crying about not getting chair, demanding Mittens removal from the CSM altogether and thus opening yourself up to relentless trolling?


Since the chair is ceremonial his stepping down has not meaning. He needs to resign from the CSM. Since we have no official response from CCP what he has said so far has no meaning. This absolutely meaningless jester shows he really doesn't intended to "own" what he did.

So I'll continue to work with the CSM and CCP to see that a proper conclusion is reached in this sad incident. His remaining will only undermine the support of the CSM by the majority of the players and shows that world that in Eve no amount of bad behavior has consequence is you are one of the cool kids.

Waiting to hear from CCP.

Issler
Powers Sa
#462 - 2012-03-28 22:14:54 UTC
IK ban op, gas thred.

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Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#463 - 2012-03-28 22:21:36 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Out of interest, are you content with what has happened (his declination of chair), and are you prepared to move forward with the CSM and work for the benefit of the game? Or are you going to sit in the corner with Darius crying about not getting chair, demanding Mittens removal from the CSM altogether and thus opening yourself up to relentless trolling?


Since the chair is ceremonial his stepping down has not meaning. He needs to resign from the CSM. Since we have no official response from CCP what he has said so far has no meaning. This absolutely meaningless jester shows he really doesn't intended to "own" what he did.

So I'll continue to work with the CSM and CCP to see that a proper conclusion is reached in this sad incident. His remaining will only undermine the support of the CSM by the majority of the players and shows that world that in Eve no amount of bad behavior has consequence is you are one of the cool kids.

Waiting to hear from CCP.

Issler


hahahaha, he has so much political capital that you're going to be marginalised from the CSM just by taking this position. Say hi to Darius for us, and try not to leak anything to EN24.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#464 - 2012-03-28 22:28:06 UTC
I could actually write a rather compelling article regarding how fans at festivals all over the world for games like World of Warcraft mange to represent themselves as more intelligent and productive members of society both on stage on off than Goon Swarm manages to represent EVE Online to the world from one yearly gathering. Even Francis, all six hundred pounds of him, does a better job of coming across as an actual human being with a future job on you tube. I guess it’s true… Delve really has collected itself into a kind of global cesspool for online gaming that not even Booty Bay or Goldshire can compete with. I’d almost call it tragic but in truth it’s just typical.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#465 - 2012-03-28 22:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Now that The Mittani has stepped down from his position will you follow in his footsteps. Will you publicly apologize for using the illness of a real life person to further your video game political goals? Will you give him all your money and resign from the CSM?

Are you willing to put aside all your hypocrisy and admit that you used a person's sickness to peruse a personal vendetta against The Mittani?

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#466 - 2012-03-28 22:46:00 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
Delve really has collected itself into a kind of global cesspool


I think your ex-IT main is showing a bit there.
Notorious BIG
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#467 - 2012-03-28 22:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Notorious BIG
The Current CSM and CCP need to make a statement ASAP. sitting and waiting around to get this cooled down and blown over, the **** storm won't stop.

Also the Chair is like many and also Mittens said just a position, but has no more right then any other member in the CSM, so him stepping down from that but still remaining in the CSM isn't imo a consequence.

@TheMittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

^this he has to follow

the third step however is just something to ease his mind.

also I hope the nxt CSM starts with a fresh start, doing the awesome job they did in CSM 6 but with more transparency towards their Voters, as the first few CSM's had great minutes CSM 6 didn't have. And that would be a nxt step forward, get CCP and eve online back in the fixing up and new stuff and report back to the members in the meaning of minutes from the CSM meetings, I know that there is alot of dealings with the skype channel but that's just how it goes but the official meeting at Iceland should be recorded and put down in minutes to be viewed by the eve community.

[edit] just saw the tweet about the banhammer being dropped and the removal of mittens from CSM7
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#468 - 2012-03-28 22:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
I just read the dev blog and in all the celebrating the bees seemed to have missed this......

"He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review."

I am now satisfied the correct steps were taken. Can't wait to get to work as part of CSM 7.

Thanks to everyone that supported me in this.

Issler
Tergerom Loregeron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#469 - 2012-03-28 23:13:48 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I just read the dev blog and in all the celebrating the bees seemed to have missed this......

"He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review."

I am now satisfied the correct steps were taken. Can't wait to get to work as part of CSM 7.

Thanks to everyone that supported me in this.

Issler


Good job using a sick person to your own advantage. You're just as bad, if not worse then Goonswarm now, congratulations.
Cyrina Manto
RBS Inc.
#470 - 2012-03-29 00:17:11 UTC
Yay for political sabotage.

I say we re-run the whole CSM election and see what happens.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#471 - 2012-03-29 00:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechael
Whatever anyone else is saying, I just wanted to say thanks for being up front about everything, Is.

It's a shame that Alex is off the CSM for a few reasons, he brought a lot of much needed and good changes to the table, and managed to push a lot of them through. I can't say I'm sad to see him go, though. I can only hope that having two PL people going to Iceland with the mentality that supercaps and the economy don't need a solid restructuring doesn't kill a lot of the good things that the CSM has been pushing so far. Without anyone to counterbalance them, it very well could have some bad results.

Hopefully people like Alekseyev and yourself can be a voice of reason, even if you're not going to Iceland for a face-to-face with the devs.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#472 - 2012-03-29 00:38:11 UTC
Mechael wrote:
Whatever anyone else is saying, I just wanted to say thanks for being up front about everything, Is.

It's a shame that Alex is off the CSM for a few reasons, he brought a lot of much needed and good changes to the table, and managed to push a lot of them through. I can't say I'm sad to see him go, though. I can only hope that having two PL people going to Iceland with the mentality that supercaps and the economy don't need a solid restructuring doesn't kill a lot of the good things that the CSM has been pushing so far. Without anyone to counterbalance them, it very well could have some bad results.

Hopefully people like Alex and yourself can be a voice of reason, even if you're not going to Iceland for a face-to-face with the devs.


Thanks,

I wish I could go back in time catch him before the panel and kept the whole thing from happening. No one is better off for this this display of poor judgement.

But lets face it he will still have huge influence in Eve and likely will get elected with 20K+ votes in CSM 8.

Now hopefully the real work of the CSM 7 can begin.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#473 - 2012-03-29 00:39:26 UTC
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Yay for political sabotage.

I say we re-run the whole CSM election and see what happens.


Since he'd still be ineligible for CSM 7 I expect some other goon candidate would get around the same number of votes.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#474 - 2012-03-29 00:52:44 UTC
One final thing. I've been accused of taking this stand for some political agenda. That's nonsense. This was about someone representing Eve and the CSM doing something absolutely unacceptable, damaging the CSM 7 and Eve in general.

I believe the goons have a place in Eve as part of the sandbox. I respected mittens and looked forward to working with him. I certainly didn't make him act the way he did, but he did and he needed to "own it".

I knew taking a stand would put my alliance at risk and already there is talk of my alliance being war-dec-ed permanently by the goons. This really will show that mittens has no remorse for his acts if he does go through with it. That he didn't see what he did as wrong and the apology was just one more act of clever manipulation to skirt the consequences of acing out.

There is no upside in this for me but I got elected to do a job and I did it. Good news is it looks like I will have a lof of feedback on the new wardec mechanisms in the next expansion! Shocked

So to the folks that said I did this for my own agenda, could you please explain that to me, because its hard to see how that could possibly be the case.

Issler
Clyde ElectraGlide
Emara Entertainment Inc.
#475 - 2012-03-29 00:58:01 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Yay for political sabotage.

I say we re-run the whole CSM election and see what happens.


Since he'd still be ineligible for CSM 7 I expect some other goon candidate would get around the same number of votes.

Issler


What other goon candidate? Lyris was the only other one and he dropped out halfway into the election. If we let a re-election happen, everyone that voted for someone other than Mittens can just do so again. This gives people who had their votes completely invalidated the chance to vote for someone else, so it's a win-win. Who knows? Even you might get some more votes.

In Need of a New Signature
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#476 - 2012-03-29 01:08:11 UTC
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Yay for political sabotage.

I say we re-run the whole CSM election and see what happens.


Since he'd still be ineligible for CSM 7 I expect some other goon candidate would get around the same number of votes.

Issler


What other goon candidate? Lyris was the only other one and he dropped out halfway into the election. If we let a re-election happen, everyone that voted for someone other than Mittens can just do so again. This gives people who had their votes completely invalidated the chance to vote for someone else, so it's a win-win. Who knows? Even you might get some more votes.


Did you read the CCP blog? "Excluded from the CSM 7". It isn't "excluded from the CSM 7 unless we hold the election again". The goons would quickly pick another CSM representative. I'm not a goon anymore so I have no idea who that would end up being.

I'm sorry your guy screwed up. I really really am sorry, I looked forward to getting to know him. But he did screw up in a big way in the end. If you think I have enough influence with CCP to have had any part in what they decided you really overestimate me.

Issler
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#477 - 2012-03-29 01:08:25 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I knew taking a stand would put my alliance at risk and already there is talk of my alliance being war-dec-ed permanently by the goons. This really will show that mittens has no remorse for his acts if he does go through with it


I'd pay the dec fee's myself sweetie. Not like isk is a problem anymore (THANKS ARYTH + WEASELIOR)
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#478 - 2012-03-29 01:09:55 UTC
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
What other goon candidate? Lyris was the only other one and he dropped out halfway into the election. If we let a re-election happen, everyone that voted for someone other than Mittens can just do so again. This gives people who had their votes completely invalidated the chance to vote for someone else, so it's a win-win. Who knows? Even you might get some more votes.


I was looking forward to voting for xenuria :(
Cyrina Manto
RBS Inc.
#479 - 2012-03-29 01:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrina Manto
Yeah, I did not mention him running again in the re-election. If he got booted(he did), then the whole thing should be re-done anyway.

Way to play the "meta-game" guys.

I think some of the complainers should seriously "Win at EvE".
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#480 - 2012-03-29 01:51:25 UTC
Cyrina Manto wrote:
Yeah, I did not mention him running again in the re-election. If he got booted(he did), then the whole thing should be re-done anyway.

Way to play the "meta-game" guys.

I think some of the complainers should seriously "Win at EvE".


So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?

All in all, sad turn of events.

Issler