EVE General Discussion

The point is all this was the case before the election, and he still received more votes than anyone.

I don't agree with all that Goonswarm does, and my disagreements are not with their tactics as much as their in-game behaviors like the ones you mentioned. The only thing with which I would disagree more is kicking someone out of a CSM position to which he was elected when he acts the same way after the election as he did before.

One of the worst posts in this thread, as far as understanding the issues goes.



Alex Gianturco posted the whiney mail from a player who the Goons claimed was running 22 accounts - in which the player (foolishly) shared suicidal inclings. If that was all he had done, it would be fine. It's not that he blurted out The Wis's name that's the problem. The exact quote is "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him."

Maybe you see the problem there? A lot of us do. All of the gaming press do. It's a minor miracle that thus far no mainstream right-wing news network (e.g. Fox) or a leftist scaremonger (e.g. the BBC) have picked up this ball.



Like so many others, this almost makes out the victim is to blame. It was foolish to share the RL issues with the Goons. No question about that. But for anyone to then say "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him."

That's not The Wis's fault. That was just plain drunken stupidity from Mittens/Alex. As you say, he comes across imature and unprofessional. That's another problem for us - the players who elected him, and CCP who gave him a platform. Whenever that's a negative story about EVE's greifing culture - and there are a lot of them - Alex Gianturco's name is going to be associated with it. And right now he's a CSM!



Sorry, but these are sufficient reasons to ask for his resignation.

Correct, he doesn't represent CCP formally, but he does formally represent the EVE player community, and since we're an MMO game, he represents a lot of what this game is about - it's community. We're not waiting for a chance to vote him out - a lot of us feel he needs to be gone already. And the longer this ticks along, the worse it makes the rest of the CSM look: indecisive, leaderless, almost zero PR savvy, and with no agenda for the good of the game here.

Why do you imply that Mittens is not only resigning from the CSM, but also GSF leadership and quitting Eve? I think you're just a wee bit too anxious to play head-hunter.

ok, I just finished watching the 2012 fanfest alliance panel... wtf is you guys problem with what was said? from what i see, your whining and justification for reason also subjects several other members of the csm to the same harrassment and blah blah blah whaa whaa whaa tear drop reasons. No harm was truly done in my opinion, was just a bunch of drunken asshattery. You guys are getting carried away with this. Stop the whining, get over it.

Anyone heard the round tables on Eve Radio ? mittani said that if someone goes to hospital because of him, he feels that he's done a good job. Now this. Clearly the guy is mean all the way and has no limits.

Perma ban.

CCP doesn't _need_ to do anything.

The news story is now "Drunken fool resigns CSM Chair after calling for players to harass someone." This alone will prolly defuse the media "storm". If it doesn't - but my gut tells me this is enough - he can still resign from the CSM altogether.

This threadnaught is dead to me now.

damage done, by mittani? yes definately lots of it. i think he be very happy with the result.

cant be undone, of cos it cannot be undone. you cannot eat your words back, especially to the magnitude of suggesting suicide. you cannot rewind time, even though you can jump titans around, time still moves forward in EVE.

clean his own sxxx ? ... nope i think his intention is to sxxx on everyone that he comes across to his own amusment and entertainment, n his followers. so i do not think he will clean it, i think he really wants his victims to smell really bad after he ***** on them (as evidenced by the way he presents his victims during fanfest)

drunk? i think they are having a slight buzz. as pointed out by his fellow CSM in the video, "i can hear your speech clearly, you are not drunk ... " ... and of course he did present his comical presentation effectively, doesnt smell like drunk to me too.

true we all play this game for entertainment, but i do not like the suggestion he made at fanfest about having someone forced to suicide, i do not find that an entertainment. Do you CCP?

so well then, my suggestion to CCP as usual .... perma BAN pls for mittani.

Let me start by asking when did joking about driving somebody to end their life become funny?

I work in a real life high stress job and have done so for nearly a decade. I am responsible for the care and security of 250 people and the staff that supervises them every day. I have had two staff members kill themselves and coumtless inmates try to kill themselves. Drunk, game, just stupid, or mean is never an excuse to not take seriously another human in distress...even if you created the situation that has distressed them. In my line of work the legal term for this is "deliberate indifference". That is a felony in my state and people have gone to prison for it.

Now, I know this is just a game, but as a human being, pushing people to the point of complete mental breakdown resulting in death is wrong. This just being a game, the proper course of action is removing a person from from the game that would take so lightly their real world responsibility to another human being.

If you want to flame me, stop a suicide attempt in progress first. Cover bloody arms with your bare hands, cut sheets off a barely living person that are so tight you can't untie the knots. If you still think it's funny, then say I am wrong to have no respect for those who would even joke about driving someone to suicide over a ******* video game.

Almost 150 pages, a little late to add this pointless quip.

mittan enjoyed every second stating the name and telling everyone to taunt the man.
yes mittan had a drink but was not drunk after chating with him later that day and again in the night.

ccp need to step up on this and ban him their is no question what he did was intended to course pain and harm.