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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2741 - 2012-03-28 18:32:26 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2742 - 2012-03-28 18:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
KanashiiKami wrote:
Gevlin wrote:
Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.

In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States

You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriber’s personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.

This would include a person's own personal information.

So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just “Stories” to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.

Mittani portrays him self as “THE VILLAIN” within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of “just for kicks”... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.

Mittani being a former lawyer – probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS.
Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.

So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy.
Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why?
-->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game?
-->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?

I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.

In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information.
If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.

Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them.


well said

but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ...

did he make a really big mistake? of course ...

is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not


Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event.
This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel
The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual


Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2743 - 2012-03-28 18:34:26 UTC
actually jade this is one of the best posting opportunities in years
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2744 - 2012-03-28 18:37:02 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....Roll





Signature removed - CCP Eterne
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2745 - 2012-03-28 18:40:58 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


TOS and CSM guidelines would like to have a word with you.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#2746 - 2012-03-28 18:43:20 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....Roll

*facepalm*
KanashiiKami
#2747 - 2012-03-28 18:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: KanashiiKami
Gevlin wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
Gevlin wrote:
Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.

In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States

You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriber’s personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.

This would include a person's own personal information.

So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just “Stories” to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.

Mittani portrays him self as “THE VILLAIN” within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of “just for kicks”... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.

Mittani being a former lawyer – probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS.
Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.

So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy.
Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why?
-->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game?
-->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?

I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.

In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information.
If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.

Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them.


well said

but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ...

did he make a really big mistake? of course ...

is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not


Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event.
This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel
The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual


Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies



well anyway ... i think many people did understand right what he said about suicide .... i do not think he is asking the guy to ram his POD into a station LOL

so did he say too much and stepped over the virtual line? i think YES

how over did he stepped? to the tune of suggesting suicide? YES

should he be BANNED? i think so ... :D

WUT ???
Vanir Tsero
Bloodhusk
Blood Drive
#2748 - 2012-03-28 18:45:47 UTC
So many people miss the point.

So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".

Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".

This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.

Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.

The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.

Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.

/end
Prince Kobol
#2749 - 2012-03-28 18:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....Roll

*facepalm*



Sorry, Your a NPC Alt and should have no Voice Sad

Please try again
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#2750 - 2012-03-28 18:47:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....Roll

*facepalm*



Sorry, Your a a NPC Alt and should have no Voice Sad

Please try again

NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2751 - 2012-03-28 18:48:43 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


TOS and CSM guidelines would like to have a word with you.

I've read both. Neither apply.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2752 - 2012-03-28 18:50:54 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.


So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....Roll


You literally cannot be this stupid.
Prince Kobol
#2753 - 2012-03-28 18:51:05 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:


NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.


"2nd Class Citizen how dare you AttentionAttentionAttentionAttention

I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it Big smile

Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2754 - 2012-03-28 18:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
KanashiiKami wrote:
Gevlin wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
Gevlin wrote:
Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.

In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States

You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriber’s personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.

This would include a person's own personal information.

So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just “Stories” to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.

Mittani portrays him self as “THE VILLAIN” within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of “just for kicks”... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.

Mittani being a former lawyer – probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS.
Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.

So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy.
Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why?
-->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game?
-->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?

I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.

In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information.
If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.

Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them.


well said

but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ...

and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ...

did he make a really big mistake? of course ...

is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not


Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event.
This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel
The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual


Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies



well anyway ... i think many people did understand right what he said about suicide .... i do not think he is asking the guy to ram his POD into a station LOL


How many other people have lied about this claim in game to gain sympathy from an aggressor. - Lieing in EVE is valid.
The Source of the problem is people offering this invalid information to meta game the aggressor.
The victim if telling the truth, he Broke the rules.
If the Victim was lieing, which we can not confirm because of EULA and TOS. Would there be such a hoopla about it.

I am looking at hitting the problem: Providing personal Information in the game which you are not allowed to do, not the symptom the Mocking of a person who appears to be weak., which occurs so often in eve.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
KanashiiKami
#2755 - 2012-03-28 18:53:26 UTC
Vanir Tsero wrote:
So many people miss the point.

So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".

Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".

This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.

Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.

The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.

Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.

/end



EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence --->

" I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house."

now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right?

but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP

WUT ???
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#2756 - 2012-03-28 18:55:06 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:


NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.


"2nd Class Citizen how dare you AttentionAttentionAttentionAttention

I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it Big smile

Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused.

No no, Im a 2nd class citizen, you are 3rd class as you have no corp. I clean the toilets, you sleep in the toilets. My opinion barely counts, you dont exist. You savy?
Prince Kobol
#2757 - 2012-03-28 18:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:


NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.


"2nd Class Citizen how dare you AttentionAttentionAttentionAttention

I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it Big smile

Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused.

No no, Im a 2nd class citizen, you are 3rd class as you have no corp. I clean the toilets, you sleep in the toilets. My opinion barely counts, you dont exist. You savy?


Sorry but you are in a NPC Corp and such your opinion does not matter.

I apologise for any inconvenience this may of caused. If you do not agree with this ruling then please contact one of the many Goonswarm representatives in game and I am sure they will be able to help you.

Thank you for your time
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2758 - 2012-03-28 18:58:50 UTC
KanashiiKami wrote:
Vanir Tsero wrote:
So many people miss the point.

So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".

Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".

This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.

Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.

The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.

Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.

/end



EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence --->

" I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house."

now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right?

but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP


You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2759 - 2012-03-28 19:03:19 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
Vanir Tsero wrote:
So many people miss the point.

So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".

Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".

This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.

Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.

The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.

Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.

/end



EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence --->

" I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house."

now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right?

but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP


You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language.


Come on Kallynda you've been banging your head against the logical barrier all afternoon on the eula / tos issue and repeating things so often its like you are trying to will them into existence and change reality by stamping your forum feet really hard.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Prince Kobol
#2760 - 2012-03-28 19:05:31 UTC
From the Mittani's Apology Thread



The Wis wrote:
OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.

I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.

This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.

I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.

There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.

To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.



The Wis