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Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3461 - 2012-03-28 16:19:14 UTC
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
Orkasm wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Here is a shortened video of what happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMA

Here is the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.as

Other players have been perma-banned for less than what Alex did.



No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA.



are you in the denial state ?

csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA

beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all




And in CCP HQ... and in a CCP sanctioned event... and in a CCP live broadscast....


lol
not their HQ

not proofread by them

LIVE is the key here , nothing they can do

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#3462 - 2012-03-28 16:19:51 UTC
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?
Avila Cracko
#3463 - 2012-03-28 16:20:41 UTC
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
Orkasm wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Here is a shortened video of what happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMA

Here is the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.as

Other players have been perma-banned for less than what Alex did.



No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA.



are you in the denial state ?

csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA

beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all




And in CCP HQ... and in a CCP sanctioned event... and in a CCP live broadscast....


If you want to catch for every letter of TOS/EULA:
TOS/EULA saying that its applying for things on their server/web page/forums.
Stream came from their server/web page.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3464 - 2012-03-28 16:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Abriael VonRosen
baltec1 wrote:

Dragging his name through the mud across as many news sites as you can is not worse than making a drunken bad joke at an event where nothing said is expected to be taken seriously and would have been qquickly forgotten about if not for the white knighter and people with an axe to grind?


Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.

The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.

Funny though, to see some complaining about Mittani's name being "dragged through the mud across as many news sites as possible". He didn't seem to have any qualms in doing that with CCP's name (and boasting about it) when it suited his agenda. I guess payback is a *****.
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#3465 - 2012-03-28 16:20:53 UTC
The Breadmaster wrote:
The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.


Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should.
Orkasm
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3466 - 2012-03-28 16:20:54 UTC
de4deye wrote:
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?


Feel free to, im sure he'll tell you to **** off and leave it at that.
Villanor
Grobnar Inc
#3467 - 2012-03-28 16:21:03 UTC
Somebody was drunk and made a joke that came out entirely different than intended.
He has apologized and has given the person all his isk.

Now everybody and his brother who has a personal vendetta against The Mittani is jumping on the bandwagon
and using his mistake as an excuse to further their own interests.

Being drunk is not an excuse for saying bad things. He accepts this and is apologizing.

Calling for his resignation does not in any way further reparations being made.
This is simply a punishment that those who dislike The Mittani want to see put in place because
this seems like a good opportunity to make it happen.

Actions do speak louder than words, if you actually care about this miner send him a convo in game and talk
to him for a couple minutes about anything. If all you really want is an excuse to be mad and call for the resignation
of the "Big Bad Villain" then carry on.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3468 - 2012-03-28 16:21:17 UTC
de4deye wrote:
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?


I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3469 - 2012-03-28 16:21:23 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
Orkasm wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Here is a shortened video of what happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMA

Here is the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.as

Other players have been perma-banned for less than what Alex did.



No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA.



are you in the denial state ?

csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA

beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all




The CSM agreement has already been invoked and dismissed in another thread. It doesn't matter how much you wish it were so, the EULA/TOS does not apply in this instance.


how can a BAN WITHOUT reason or guilt not apply ?
if CCP wishes him gone hes out ...

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#3470 - 2012-03-28 16:22:02 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
de4deye wrote:
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?


I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned.

What If I tell a big group of other people to try to convince him to kill himself? Is that ok?
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3471 - 2012-03-28 16:22:36 UTC
The Breadmaster wrote:
The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.


Digging through my mains mails, I have 14 direct death threats to me, 6 direct death threats to me and my immediate family, and 9 vague threats of vengance. I presume these will all be banned too, if CCP ban Mittens?
Tim Sebo
Doomheim
#3472 - 2012-03-28 16:22:36 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
de4deye wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:
de4deye wrote:
If Mittani cared, he would:
- Step down from CSM all together
- Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts
- Biomass his character
- Never come back

No one is fooled by his crappy apology.


Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does.

Who cares? Lol I don't even own a titan. Is this all goons have on their mind? This seems to be the only response goons can gather for everything I say, sad to be you.


Does it help if I admit to owning a titan and saying having them nerfed to hell is one of the better things Alexander managed? (still doesn't excuse fanfest) but I'm not going to say he was completely rubbish.


Except they're not getting nerfed anymore.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3473 - 2012-03-28 16:23:35 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
The Breadmaster wrote:
The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.


Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should.




I underlined the bit that you outrageously editorialized to make your leaky argument appear to hold water.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3474 - 2012-03-28 16:23:40 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
de4deye wrote:
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?


I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned.

Too late. He's already encouraged others to kill The Mittani with fire.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3475 - 2012-03-28 16:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
baltec1 wrote:
days ago you mean yesterday when he arrived home.


The OP was made over 40 hours ago. I'd say it's closer to multiple days than just one. But technically you're right, 2 days have not yet passed.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#3476 - 2012-03-28 16:24:32 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Quote:
How about you cite your sources and provide evidence of your claims with a link.



bloody hell READ THE TOS.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp


points 25 and 26 ....


Namely

Quote:

25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.



Would it help if we could use a larger font?



Oh god you are dense. Of course CCP can take anyone's access to the game away. It's their game. No one is arguing that.

Which part of the TOS/EULA were specifically broken, to warrant such dismissal and exclusion?

Using your logic, I could argue that CCP should now permanently ban your account(s) simply because of your exceedingly low intelligence.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3477 - 2012-03-28 16:24:47 UTC
Tim Sebo wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
de4deye wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:
de4deye wrote:
If Mittani cared, he would:
- Step down from CSM all together
- Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts
- Biomass his character
- Never come back

No one is fooled by his crappy apology.


Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does.

Who cares? Lol I don't even own a titan. Is this all goons have on their mind? This seems to be the only response goons can gather for everything I say, sad to be you.


Does it help if I admit to owning a titan and saying having them nerfed to hell is one of the better things Alexander managed? (still doesn't excuse fanfest) but I'm not going to say he was completely rubbish.


Except they're not getting nerfed anymore.


Speculation: they're waiting for CCP Tallest to get back from paternity leave.
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#3478 - 2012-03-28 16:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Orin
Magnus Orin wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Quote:
How about you cite your sources and provide evidence of your claims with a link.



bloody hell READ THE TOS.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp


points 25 and 26 ....


Namely

Quote:

25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.



Would it help if we could use a larger font?



Oh god you are dense. Of course CCP can take anyone's access to the game away. It's their game. No one is arguing that.

Which part of the TOS/EULA were specifically broken, to warrant such dismissal and exclusion?

Using your logic, I could argue that CCP should now permanently ban your account(s) simply because of your exceedingly low intelligence.


Have you ever heard of the word "Arbitrary"? CCP, and most companies dont issue rulings in such a manner.

Edit: ****. Hit the quote butan instead of edit.
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3479 - 2012-03-28 16:25:42 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:

Digging through my mains mails, I have 14 direct death threats to me, 6 direct death threats to me and my immediate family, and 9 vague threats of vengance. I presume these will all be banned too, if CCP ban Mittens?


Did you report them? Because if you didn't, no, they won't. If you do, yes, they will.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3480 - 2012-03-28 16:26:06 UTC
Abriael VonRosen wrote:


Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.

The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.


The fact that most of them got it from an anti-GSF blog site and all of them were mailed by anti-Mittani white knighters has of corse nothing at all to do with it.