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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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The F Word
Doomheim
#2581 - 2012-03-28 12:39:40 UTC
Zagdul wrote:


It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.



That's quite the sophomoric excuse.
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2582 - 2012-03-28 12:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: JTK Fotheringham
Zagdul wrote:


It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.



And R A P E (why is "****" censored?) vicitms shouldn't dress provocativly? Your line of arguement is nothing short of moronic and offensive to people who have lost loved ones to this sort of behaviour. The victim of bullying is not the one to blame.

Sure, The Wis foolishly posted a whine-mail to a Goon - but that in no way justifys "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him."

The Roadhouse deflection from the Goons over the last 12 hours has been funny, but it's done nothing to change the issues. An elected player representative drunkenly crossed the line from legitimate in-game griefing, to out-of-game cyber-bullying and he will face some sort of consequence.
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2583 - 2012-03-28 12:52:44 UTC
Jesus....

Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.

I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.

He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)

PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.

-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more) 
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2584 - 2012-03-28 12:54:27 UTC
ts actually fun to watch how far this thread is spining by now.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#2585 - 2012-03-28 12:56:44 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
hioshi IV wrote:
Having had two friends commit suicide because of bullying in school over several years, this whole mess strikes my nerve pretty good...

It's not just a embarrassment for CCP, for EVE and all his players, it's a social disgrace someone wishes someone else to die, even provoking other people to make sure he dies.

I sincerely hope CCP does not let mitanus remain on CSM because that would send all the wrong signals.

Cyber bullying is OK? that is def. not a good signal to send, is it ?

Nothing happens if you are a psychopathic in RL? Im pretty sure something nasty would happen to him if he did this in RL in some school or corporation.

Matter if pretty simple: For CCP sake, for EVE sake and for all of us standard players sake, he must not be allowed to remain as chairman, cant be allowed in CSM where "ALL" player base is supposedly represented, and cannot be allowed to remain active in game to CCP and EVE sake.

Also: it's not the 1st time he wishes someone else to die in RL, been drunk cannot be used as a excuse, the story was on his PP.

I have faight in CCP to do the right thing, the hole industry is watching.


It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.

It's the instability of the individual and you represent what is wrong with the world today. Nobody accepts responsibility for their actions, unlike Alex, who has.


So you are saying he accepted responsibility by saying he was going to step down and not do it? I guess that is what you represent then... People who say they will do something and not do it. He has not accepted responsibility until CCP decides how to deal with his actions for him IMO. What that will be, we will see.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#2586 - 2012-03-28 12:56:50 UTC
I luv goats...
SOV Diplomat
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2587 - 2012-03-28 13:03:01 UTC
You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2588 - 2012-03-28 13:06:34 UTC
SOV Diplomat wrote:
You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.



Oh God you bully mean man!!! Daaaaaaaaaaaddddddd he will hurt us!

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2589 - 2012-03-28 13:07:12 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
I luv goats...



In a manly way?

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2590 - 2012-03-28 13:07:26 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:
Jesus....

Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.

I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.

He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)

PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.



I don't think you get the issue here. It's that the elected chair of the players' representative council said this live to camera, in front of the world's gaming press. It's that the gaming community in EVE have a right to express disgust at his conduct. It's that we who voted for him, despite his in-game antics (which I have no issue with), feel let down.

His Goon-hood has nothing to do with it - because this wasn't an in-game thing The Mittani (player Alex Gianturco) did, it was an out of game cyberbullying attack by Alex Gianturco, who happens to play a character in-game called The Mittani.
SOV Diplomat
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2591 - 2012-03-28 13:07:45 UTC
Welsige wrote:
SOV Diplomat wrote:
You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.



Oh God you bully mean man!!! Daaaaaaaaaaaddddddd he will hurt us!

you know it.
Everseeker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2592 - 2012-03-28 13:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Everseeker
You are all missing 1 simple fact
He CAN'T resign at the moment...
Well, he can, but he would only be resigning from the post he CURRENTLY holds.....
He has to wait for CCP to formally induct them (New NDA'S and all...) THEN he can resign

If he submitted a resignation today, NOW, you dolts would all be deleriously happy... right up to the point where CCP invests him in the next council.....

He Said he would step down, and I assume that he will.
As soon as he has a place to step down FROM.....

To SOV Diplomat... Ummm, you DO know that CCP has banned people for the use of that exact phrase (when directed at CCP) Are you perhaps testing? to see if CCP is 2 faced or the like?


Is it WISE to test a Viking?
Everseeker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2593 - 2012-03-28 13:27:47 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:

{stuff} this wasn't an in-game thing The Mittani (player Alex Gianturco) did, it was an out of game cyberbullying attack by Alex Gianturco, who happens to play a character in-game called The Mittani.


Actually, it was a group of people on a stage, acting as the leader of various Alliances/Corps...
Alex Gianturco? - Never heard of him.... Did not see him... Would not know him if I FELL on him
The Mittani? - Yup, he was there. Representing his Goons. Wearing a Wizard Hat at one point... Stuff that was said, was MOST DEFINATLY said by Mittens...
If it
Walked like Mittens
Talked like Mittens
Was toasty like Mittens
then it was PROBABLY not a Toaster.....
DarkWrath
Twilight Penguin Inc
#2594 - 2012-03-28 13:29:02 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:
Jesus....

Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.

I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.

He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)

PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.



Two things:


  • He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.

  • Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.

Frying Doom
#2595 - 2012-03-28 13:29:14 UTC
Everseeker wrote:
You are all missing 1 simple fact
He CAN'T resign at the moment...
Well, he can, but he would only be resigning from the post he CURRENTLY holds.....
He has to wait for CCP to formally induct them (New NDA'S and all...) THEN he can resign

If he submitted a resignation today, NOW, you dolts would all be deleriously happy... right up to the point where CCP invests him in the next council.....

He Said he would step down, and I assume that he will.
As soon as he has a place to step down FROM.....

To SOV Diplomat... Ummm, you DO know that CCP has banned people for the use of that exact phrase (when directed at CCP) Are you perhaps testing? to see if CCP is 2 faced or the like?


Is it WISE to test a Viking?

Actually resigning now he can do but it would just be refusing the place in CSM 7 rather than resigning. Same Thing really.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lomarro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2596 - 2012-03-28 13:39:00 UTC
DarkWrath wrote:
Rhinanna wrote:
Jesus....

Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.

I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.

He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)

PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.



Two things:


  • He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.

  • Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.



why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Frying Doom
#2597 - 2012-03-28 13:41:13 UTC
Lomarro wrote:
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs

Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ashuva Uesugi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2598 - 2012-03-28 13:42:31 UTC
He paid allready more then 10 Billions to his Victim, i know it from the Victim himself.

Also he apologized via ingame mail to him, that you should know too.
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2599 - 2012-03-28 13:43:28 UTC
Everseeker wrote:


Actually, it was a group of people on a stage, acting as the leader of various Alliances/Corps...
Alex Gianturco? - Never heard of him.... Did not see him... Would not know him if I FELL on him
The Mittani? - Yup, he was there. Representing his Goons. Wearing a Wizard Hat at one point... Stuff that was said, was MOST DEFINATLY said by Mittens...
If it
Walked like Mittens
Talked like Mittens
Was toasty like Mittens
then it was PROBABLY not a Toaster.....


There are, of course, a number of problems with this.

He's shared out-of-game tears, which included information that a player was suicidal. He then invites people with the words, "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him." None of that suggests he was speaking strickly in-game. It might have started in-game, but it moved rapidly from in-game griefing, to out-of-game bullying.

Also, and I'm sorry to say this, but he was introduced as "the guy who is fixing titans" - that's not something Mittens is doing, it's something Alex is trying to get done as a CSM policy.

The idea that somehow this was said "in-character" (something the player has said he doesn't do anyway) and that excuses it is daft, and certainly not a view not shared by the gaming press, who are the ones making hay out of this.

PR-wise CCP and / or the CSM need to make a clear break with this story, or it's going to haunt them for the next 12 months. That can't be done by explaining it was "in-character" - or at least that's a risky strategy. Far easier to cut the liability loose.
Lomarro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2600 - 2012-03-28 13:45:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lomarro wrote:
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs

Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic.


aslong a country dont breed isslerboys like you, it cant be crappy