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Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2581 - 2012-03-28 00:25:38 UTC
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
Razin wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
Razin wrote:

The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.

All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.


Goons or CSM?
It was during the alliance panel. You decide.


CSM, because this isnt an alliance level issue.


Alliance, because he was at the alliance panel speaking on behalf of the GSF. Just because the man's on CSM doesn't mean he's perfect, and he shouldn't be expected to be perfect either. The fact that people are holding him to some higher standard above "regular players" shows how ludicrous everybody here is about the CSM. The CSM isn't some major congress, it's a group of 14 players who talk to each other, and CCP developers occasionally, to relay the thoughts of the masses. What the CSM is not and should not be: A 100% accurate representation of everybody who plays Eve, used for PR purposes. To expect that is preposterous.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2582 - 2012-03-28 00:25:59 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.


What's even better are the chatlogs from a few days later showing the victim wasn't even getting any in-game harassment over it. Everyone that heard it knew it was a joke (albeit an awful one) and it didn't go any further than that - well, not until the election results came out on Saturday, then wouldn't you know it, gaming websites have picked up this AWFUL AWFUL THING HE DID BAN MITTENS HE HAS TO GO

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2583 - 2012-03-28 00:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalathia Eginald
Terrorfrodo wrote:
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.


You've never been on the recieving end of a 4chan search then I take it. You would be suprised what those in the know can find out just from an ingame name.
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#2584 - 2012-03-28 00:27:15 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.

EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.


Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons.
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#2585 - 2012-03-28 00:28:25 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing.


Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action.



This. Everbody take a deep breath and let somewhat cooler heads decide what to do than raging-forum-warriors.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2586 - 2012-03-28 00:29:42 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game

but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.

Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)


i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure


This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.



Might have been becasue of all the "HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE APOLOGIZED" posts lots of other goons made. And before that apology "HE DID NOTHING WRONG" posts.

Just saying.

I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
Banjit Leelapun
War Horse Holdings
#2587 - 2012-03-28 00:29:51 UTC
I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:

And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "

Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.

Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)

in short boot his ass ccp
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2588 - 2012-03-28 00:30:06 UTC
Sadly the fact that he hasnt gone yet intimates that he is trying to weasel out of his own statement to resign. A resignation takes no time at all. He doesnt have to discuss it with the CSM they need to move on without him. Alexanders credibility is at an all time low. The gaming press are full of "cyberbully going to resign" quotes if he doesnt do what he has promised he simply makes the situation worse. Ultimatly pride comes before a fall. Alexander has been so puffed up with his pride and pomposity that its no suprise it has come to this. His constant preening in the gaming press, acting the spaceship politician, whoring himself to any site that would guve his ego a platform was bound to end in tears. Honestly he reminds me of Steve Smith in American dad, with the copious amounts of hairgel and pubescent acne. He is old enough to get drunk and be obnoxious he should be man enough to take the consequenses.

Alexander do the right thing resign, save some of your credibility and maybe the gaming sites you love pandering to so much may stil want to stroke your ego when its all blown over.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2589 - 2012-03-28 00:30:10 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.

EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.


Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons.



He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2590 - 2012-03-28 00:32:06 UTC
Mercenary Killa wrote:
MAD DETECTED



Are you kidding? Farming Testies is one of my favorite sports...Cool




My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2591 - 2012-03-28 00:32:50 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:

I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.


I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting.

However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands.

Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game.

A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Razin
The Scope
#2592 - 2012-03-28 00:34:52 UTC
chumbucket wrote:
Wow i do congratulate you on your election stampede but seriously ...... YOU know what the Eula entails better then most players. Some people will take their lives to crap like this IT HAPPENS . You Showed up drunk and instead of acting like an elected official you acted like a giant 12 year old waving his e-peen about. You screwed up bigtime apology or no apology you just demonstrated behavior that is majorly damaging to ccp and sony and yourself. Yes sony will probably care as they pay the multi million dollar advertising tabs for dust. Maybe your one of those people who are better off NOT DRINKING becuse you cant handle it..........This is one of those things that you as a GROWN A** MAN just dont do game or not SERIOUSLY SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP YOU GOT ISSUES U NEED TO HANDLE.

So, what about those individuals who so helpfully informed The Wis of these events? Aren't they to be held responsible for so recklessly endangering this player's life (and CCP-Sony relationship by extension)? Arguably, it is those righteous persons who should bear the brunt of the blame for knowingly bringing the offensive information to the one who'd be most susceptible to its damaging qualities.
DelightSucker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2593 - 2012-03-28 00:35:41 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game

but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.

Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)


i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure


This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.


Deal whit it?

yeah he so sincere
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2594 - 2012-03-28 00:36:03 UTC
Banjit Leelapun wrote:
I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:

And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "

Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.

Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)

in short boot his ass ccp


Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions)

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2595 - 2012-03-28 00:37:13 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Banjit Leelapun wrote:
I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:

And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "

Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.

Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)

in short boot his ass ccp


Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions)

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words.



He also said he would step down from CSM.

Still waiting.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#2596 - 2012-03-28 00:38:09 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Nair Alderau wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.

EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.


Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons.



He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for.


Noted. True to an extent, though I think it mitigates "the crime".

Now:

a) I think he should step down as chairman, and get a reprimand/tempban from CCP.
b) I think we shouldn't make the whole situation even more sticky by arguing too much about it. Lets cool off, be more friendly, agree to wait on what CCP and the CSM will say. Whats the point of arguing about it before they do?
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2597 - 2012-03-28 00:39:35 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Nair Alderau wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.

EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.


Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons.



He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for.


Noted. True to an extent, though I think it mitigates "the crime".

Now:

a) I think he should step down as chairman, and get a reprimand/tempban from CCP.
b) I think we shouldn't make the whole situation even more sticky by arguing too much about it. Lets cool off, be more friendly, agree to wait on what CCP and the CSM will say. Whats the point of arguing about it before they do?


cause ppl have strong feelings over the whole debacle


Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Shere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2598 - 2012-03-28 00:44:13 UTC
Oh, hey, this thread still exists.
Doddy
Excidium.
#2599 - 2012-03-28 00:44:29 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:

I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.


I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting.

However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands.

Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game.

A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it.


He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic.
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2600 - 2012-03-28 00:45:03 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Banjit Leelapun wrote:
I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:

And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "

Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.

Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)

in short boot his ass ccp


Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions)

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words.



He also said he would step down from CSM.

Still waiting.


This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?