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My Apology

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Astro Jones
AJ Corp
#2561 - 2012-03-28 00:06:54 UTC
Most real corporations have zero tolerance for this sort of bad publicity, It will be interesting to see what happens. But then again when they actively promote grief you should expect this sort of stuff. Personally i feel it went way way to far, you do not ever encourage someone to do something like that. Most of us are adults and know better. EVE has potential but they need to learn that catering to degenerate behaviour is detrimental to being in business. For every hard core pyp'er out there, there is at least 10 people that do not care for that type of game play. In the end, I think EVE has to share part of the blame.
Razin
The Scope
#2562 - 2012-03-28 00:07:28 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
Razin wrote:

The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.

All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.



you forgot the important part

it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers

if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out

It wasn't important to any adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking.

However you are not preaching to any of that kind, so never mind.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2563 - 2012-03-28 00:08:54 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


I heard you guys were applying to Test, and I think I heard they liked your recent fleet doctrine as well. Oops



No idea, I come out for the corp and fleets, I leave politics and where we go to those elsewhere.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Mercenary Killa
CatharsisE
#2564 - 2012-03-28 00:09:24 UTC
MAD DETECTED
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2565 - 2012-03-28 00:09:35 UTC
Volgram wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Generally i'm the most laid back guy playing this game. When i first heard about this i was actually telling someone angry with Mittani that the two of them should 'hug it out'.

Then i saw the clip myself, and watched the goons flood the forums to pick fights with everyone, and well, things have changed.

Mittani and the Goons should not represent this game or its playerbase in any way shape or form. The only justice i ask for is the same justice he supposedly imposed on himself: that he resign. Even with my previous dislike of Goons i never had a problem with him being CSM, but if he can't conduct himself in a respectable manner he just makes us all look bad.

If he follows through on his vow, this will all end. You have the power. You can stop this, Mittani.


That may be the case. After the things that you have seen, your opinions might have changed. That is by far and large, quite natural.

But do not forgive him after things have cooled down. That way, forgiveness has no meaning.

Forgive him now, or do not forgive him at all.



The Mittani ‏ @TheMittani

Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

he set the steps .. without step 2 .. step 1 means nothing

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

Blastcaps Madullier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2566 - 2012-03-28 00:11:21 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing.


Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action.

chumbucket
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#2567 - 2012-03-28 00:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: chumbucket
Wow i do congratulate you on your election stampede but seriously ...... YOU know what the Eula entails better then most players. Some people will take their lives to crap like this IT HAPPENS . You Showed up drunk and instead of acting like an elected official you acted like a giant 12 year old waving his e-peen about. You screwed up bigtime apology or no apology you just demonstrated behavior that is majorly damaging to ccp and sony and yourself. Yes sony will probably care as they pay the multi million dollar advertising tabs for dust. Maybe your one of those people who are better off NOT DRINKING becuse you cant handle it..........This is one of those things that you as a GROWN A** MAN just dont do game or not SERIOUSLY SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP YOU GOT ISSUES U NEED TO HANDLE.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#2568 - 2012-03-28 00:14:46 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.


I'm glad to see you are, almost word for word, in agreement with Mittani.

Well said.


Right. And he continues to accept it.

Proving his words are worth nothing when held against his actions.



Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all.

Thanks for clearing that up.


He is still bound to face the consequences of his words no matter the value that they hold to me, just as we all are. And you understand that perfectly well.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2569 - 2012-03-28 00:16:44 UTC
Razin wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
Razin wrote:

The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.

All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.



you forgot the important part

it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers

if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out

It wasn't important to any adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking.

However you are not preaching to any of that kind, so never mind.



well you just said miitens not adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking

because in his own words : Entirely my fault and unacceptable

i dunno why you guys trying to defend him ..
he already has seen that he was doing something wrong
you look relay bad trying to defend this, this stunt will not work , accept it ...

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

supr3m3justic3
Perkone
Caldari State
#2570 - 2012-03-28 00:17:54 UTC
Razin wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
Razin wrote:

The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.

All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.


Goons or CSM?
It was during the alliance panel. You decide.


CSM, because this isnt an alliance level issue.
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#2571 - 2012-03-28 00:19:06 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game

but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.

Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)


i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure


This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2572 - 2012-03-28 00:20:36 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game

but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.

Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)


i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure


This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.



Might have been becasue of all the "HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE APOLOGIZED" posts lots of other goons made. And before that apology "HE DID NOTHING WRONG" posts.

Just saying.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#2573 - 2012-03-28 00:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Akai Kvaesir
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.

EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#2574 - 2012-03-28 00:21:17 UTC
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.

.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2575 - 2012-03-28 00:21:28 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
supr3m3justic3 wrote:
For a Goon: Understandable.
For a CSM: Unacceptable.

This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.



More or less.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2576 - 2012-03-28 00:21:48 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing.


Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action.


this is corporation(reallive) level ..
theres meeting to be hold , lawers need some research ..
CEOs to be contacted


it takes time

and if sony is into this it just delays it even more

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

Volgram
10.K
#2577 - 2012-03-28 00:21:56 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
The Mittani ‏ @TheMittani

Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

he set the steps .. without step 2 .. step 1 means nothing


What he wishes to do is not in my control. Truely, I cannot do anything, but give him my forgiveness, for what he did. I hope the community can do the same, but we are all humans and different in opinions. Our liberty is indifferent to our morals.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#2578 - 2012-03-28 00:23:30 UTC
Volgram wrote:
But do not forgive him after things have cooled down. That way, forgiveness has no meaning.

Forgive him now, or do not forgive him at all.



I think i've already pretty much forgiven him, although this 'apology' did nothing to help that. Any previous disgust i had towards his seemingly sociopathic traits is probably better understood as disgust for sociopaths in general. The guy (or goons for that matter) hasn't done anything to me personally, so i've no grudge.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2579 - 2012-03-28 00:23:44 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.



http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/

“Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name is…[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.”

This quote is not nothing. Especially since its the head of the Goons saying it. He tossed gas on a fire. A fire that says kill this guy as the end result.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2580 - 2012-03-28 00:24:05 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.


contact CCP, maybe you can supervise em with your moral standards and the understanding of said video

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!