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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2261 - 2012-03-27 19:24:13 UTC
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?
KanashiiKami
#2262 - 2012-03-27 19:24:19 UTC
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.


yes life time ban!

WUT ???
KanashiiKami
#2263 - 2012-03-27 19:26:58 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:


So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.


So basicly, what your saying, people can say whatever they like, as long as it doesn't actually cause any physical damage? So i could get all my mates to try to get you to hang yourself, and as long as you don't actually do it, thats fine?

What about if we are all calling you the "n" word cause we know you're black? That fine too?

How about we all laugh at the fact someone's got no legs, and encourage them to push themselves in a pool? Oh, thats ok though, he didn't actually do what we suggested, so thats fine too!

What you say has consequences, be it physical or psychological. If he was messaging these things in game, i'd be like, Meh! Thats Mittani, everyone knows he's a ****, just ignore him.

Doing it live on the internet, in person, and trying to get others to follow suit, makes it a whole different ball-game! No surprise at-all its exploded this big. Don't you guys watch politics in the real-world?

And im still amazed that Goons are STILL defending his actions, even when he's admitted he's at fault.

Oh, yeah, i forgot. They already know his apology was a Fake!


i think what you said should be reposted on all other forums n multiple times so people get an idea of the real problem ...

WUT ???
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2264 - 2012-03-27 19:27:58 UTC
Since when EULA is a RL law? How whatever I do IRL is sanctioned by the CCP EULA ?

Or you're just being dumb?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Taihbea
Doomheim
#2265 - 2012-03-27 19:28:14 UTC
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?



You can try all you want. It really just proves how right I am.
CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#2266 - 2012-03-27 19:28:57 UTC
Manssell wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Manssell wrote:


So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".



I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment.



I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but if we go down this path would't that mean any miner with a ship name of "I"m suicidal" couldn't be ganked then? Or if an alliance leader made a blog post saying how depressed they where, and how the alliance was the only thing that kept them alive, would't that mean no one who read that could war dec them (a war dec is just calling on thousands of people to harass someone right)? I mean it is EVE, people would do that.

I think the problem is we are in a really grey area here and what I don't like seeing is all the spin to make this out as the worst case scenario of bullying for political gain which in the long run may hurt the cold harsh universe of EVE most of us love.



there is a distinct difference between using in game mechanics to fight somebody and being public about it in front of thousands of people come on guys this is not the fact that mittani sent a mail to somebody in game or smacked talked in local so lets try not to put it on the same level .
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#2267 - 2012-03-27 19:29:01 UTC
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?


id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh...
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#2268 - 2012-03-27 19:29:16 UTC
Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -
Prince Kobol
#2269 - 2012-03-27 19:31:18 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court.


It has many times
CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#2270 - 2012-03-27 19:31:23 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?


id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh...


You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.


allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something
Josef Djugashvilis
#2271 - 2012-03-27 19:31:33 UTC
Is Ladie Harlot back on yet?

This thread needs her/his unique take on events to lighten things up a bit.

This is not a signature.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2272 - 2012-03-27 19:33:14 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court.


It's a simple contract. Contracts have been tried in courts many times.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2273 - 2012-03-27 19:36:05 UTC
Xython wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.


No one believes that except, well, I was going to say "you and the NPC sockpuppets", but they don't really believe that either.

When someone in game tells me to commit self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perform oral sex on a large domesticated farm animal, they are obviously not actually intending me to do so -- it's smack talk, trash talk, and general e-peen wiggling.

Alex, while drunk, forgot himself and brought this attitude out of his in game persona into his public persona. He was ashamed and apologized. Would he still say to harass someone in game as "The Mittani"? Probably. Would he do so with the intent to actually cause someone to kill themselves in real life? Hell no. Despite the foolish mewlings of a bunch of 13 year olds, Goons-the-Players aren't actually evil. We're just assholes.

By intentionally acting disingenuous you are actively attempting to inflate this scandal in such a way to further an agenda. Anyone can tell this by simply watching the thread and your repeated, asinine posts.

With that in mind, and with my aforementioned disclaimer about the difference between in game persona and public persona: I hope you commit a large amount of self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perhaps asphyxiate on a large amount of donkey excretions, you ignorant player of low skill, abysmal intellect, and dismal hygiene.


This is not remotely the same thing and I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that. In an E-mail to The Mittani it was apparent in what was written that the person in question was having or did have sucidal thoughts. Regardless of the truth of the matter it is not appropriate to mock the guy and ridicule him publicly. Being a smack talking juvenile on local, or private chat is not even close to the same thing.

In addition I've heard som exceedingly offensive 'Fleet Coms' and read some terribly inappropriate e-mails by FCs and CEOs in game to their own Corp and Alliance mates. Frankly if anyone spoke to me like that face to face they would likely get punched in the mouth for their trouble. The anonomous nature of those things does not take away the boorishness of the behavior it just makes the offending party bolder in the sense that there will be very little true repercussion to it.

Get a thicker skin? HTFU? Yeah sure, but still common decency should be expected and when situations like this one happen there should be consequences. What happened at Fanfest is what invariably happens when the threshold from permissive in game activity crosses over into inpermissible real life. This is a by product of edgy.

This is not just an EVE problem. This is a societal problem. As for the rabid coverage by the 'Media?' Well if it bleeds, it leads and right now CCP is bleeding from the neck pretty bad and we all look like jerks. The problem is that most of you fail to admit to yourselves that they might be right. Maybe we are a bunch of jerks. This might be why you defend that which is not defensible.







"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2274 - 2012-03-27 19:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Celsius
I think the mittani should give the guy a huge amount of ISK and then flood the CSM forums with pictures of himself in a suit holding babies and visiting hospitals / schools just so it feels like a "proper" slimy politician style buy off.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2275 - 2012-03-27 19:36:44 UTC
Stand back ma'am

there's been a EULA violation
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2276 - 2012-03-27 19:37:22 UTC
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?


id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh...


You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.


allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something




Strange, I looked at the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp , but didn't find the part you're quoting.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Prince Kobol
#2277 - 2012-03-27 19:38:54 UTC
CCP stance

"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.

"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.

"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.

"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.

"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others."
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2278 - 2012-03-27 19:40:34 UTC
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?


if the EULA BIBLE has a scroll bar i can use to skip all the BS i dont care to read and an "I agree" tick box at the end of it all, then it is.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Alexander Taos
Falco Industries
#2279 - 2012-03-27 19:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Taos
Well, after spending the last hour watching the video, it really is a bit much to say that he's literally calling for the death of the wis.

Come on. You really have to be in some weird alternate reality to sit there, watch what he said, and come to the conclusion that he is literally telling people to email the wis to kill himself.

It is called sarcasm and you can debate left and right on whether it is funny or inappropriate and there are legitimate arguments to be made, but to extend it out to the level that he's literally calling for someones death is hyperbole plain and simple.


Also, how does the EULA apply to anything happening outside of the game itself or community websites?
CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#2280 - 2012-03-27 19:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CNL Jack Oniel
Karim alRashid wrote:
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts.
If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks.
If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this.
You let a guy publicly harras other person.

Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?


id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh...


You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.


allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something




Strange, I looked at the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp , but didn't find the part you're quoting.


http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp there u go it is linked for those that think i have just made it up lol