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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#2201 - 2012-03-27 17:55:26 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
You're presenting hypotheses as facts.

No I'm not, this is why I called it an "Argument". An argument suggests that it is opinion driven, and is up to others to decide if they agree or not.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2202 - 2012-03-27 17:57:09 UTC
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
KanashiiKami
#2203 - 2012-03-27 17:57:41 UTC
Lord Grantham wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
i read what mitani said about his apology,

i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?

1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. so now you are elected to power, and you empower your followers to act like a terrorist too ? so the in game terrorism fails to amuse or entertain you enough, and so due to your drunkardness you expressed you hearts desires IRL? to openly terrorize real people?
2. you are present before a public event, secondarily representing a game community. and you asked the players to get someone to kill himself. and think that the person is a joke IRL? and by getting everyone to laugh along with you on it means it is fine?
3. his reasoning is that he is drunk and he accepts that as a serious mistake? so, you expect me to agree that because you are drunk you can command thousand of folks to go around killing other people IRL? so what happens if you get into a mental state that have more dangerous thoughts? it is not funny to belittle a mentally challenged person.

i will not accept just a simple reprimand by expulsion from CSM. i will like to see bans. what he did DOES NOT promote good game culture. period. and not being reprimanded will only lead to worse events in the future.

PERMA player ban for alex


Your inability to use proper grammar and punctuation when debating a point makes your argument somewhat tenuous. Also, your use of rhetorical questions should be a capital crime rather than a ban-able offense.


im never good at debating and i have poor command of english ... you are sooo clever to point that out .... sooooo clever :D ...

WUT ???
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2204 - 2012-03-27 17:58:45 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.



When that person basically called for a lynch mod to murder someone by forcing them to suicide?

I think your compass is broken.

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2205 - 2012-03-27 18:00:23 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
You're presenting hypotheses as facts.

No I'm not, this is why I called it an "Argument". An argument suggests that it is opinion driven, and is up to others to decide if they agree or not.


No, it is not.

An argument is an opinion accompanied with the relevant evidence or logical reasoning.

You lack evidence or logical reasoning.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
KanashiiKami
#2206 - 2012-03-27 18:00:55 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.


so if you manufacture a famous brand of ketchup ... your ketchup brand ambasador get drunk during a commercial and says ... you can use the ketchup to drown mentality handicapped people ... you are saying this is good? LOL !!! the things people do to defend crap ...

WUT ???
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#2207 - 2012-03-27 18:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?

Edit: my bad, soundwave threatening guy got banned... Well CCP's policy is CCP's policy. I wouldn't have banned him but as is visible I'm fairly forgiving if no harm is done (which is where I draw the line)

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2208 - 2012-03-27 18:03:51 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.


It isn't (at least for me) a PR issue from the comments, but PR about enforcement of the EULA and ToS that we all agreed to. CSM were founded to ensure that ccp and the community base work together to make eve what it needs to be. But can being a community representative allow exclusion from the conduct agreement? In full reality, PR or no, they have for enforce the rules, they are obligated to. I mean really. In the end it was a ToS/EULA violation, and no way around that. It sucks, is a PR nightmare, just now the rule enforcement is in the spotlight.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
BlazingBunny
Criterion.
Pandemic Legion
#2209 - 2012-03-27 18:04:17 UTC
I believe judging someone's character while they are intoxicated isn't fair in the slightest. Also, saying that other people are "laughing at EVE" is stupid. No gives a ****, why should you? you aren't the guy Mittens was talking about or mittens so therefore really its just opinions not facts. I believe punishing Mittens for this wouldn't be fair in the slightest.
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#2210 - 2012-03-27 18:04:47 UTC
Well you can defend a piece of crap as much as your little heart can stand, but you and I both know a piece of crap is nothing more than a piece of crap. Poor Mittens, he's such a victim abloo bloo Sad It's time for this less-than-a-man to resign for his actions against the CSM, CCP, and the Eve Online community.
KanashiiKami
#2211 - 2012-03-27 18:10:00 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
i read what mitani said about his apology,

i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?

1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist.


Stopped reading here.


ok he acted like a drunk brat who thinks he can get away with all the bad things he does? sounds better for you ?

WUT ???
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2212 - 2012-03-27 18:10:30 UTC
KanashiiKami wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.


so if you manufacture a famous brand of ketchup ... your ketchup brand ambasador get drunk during a commercial and says ... you can use the ketchup to drown mentality handicapped people ... you are saying this is good? LOL !!! the things people do to defend crap ...


Your analogy is not analogous.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2213 - 2012-03-27 18:11:53 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?



The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.

He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so.

The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader.

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VampireZIM
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#2214 - 2012-03-27 18:13:23 UTC
I think we have all said something, while drunk, that we later regret. Get over it...
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#2215 - 2012-03-27 18:15:11 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?


Any professional company I have ever represented in my life would fire me for representing them in such a light. You have to sign papers that clearly state this prior to accepting employment. Even most ****** minimum wage restaurants make you sign a similar contract these days.

You are clearly not a professional representative if you feel that the situation as it stands is acceptable.

It infuriates me that my PLEX pays for this ****.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Kill Rockstar
Doomheim
#2216 - 2012-03-27 18:15:52 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?


We pay CCP to maintain a game and do not expect to get screwed over by the devs with there money grabbing ways or miss direction of Incarna.
People had a right to be mad at Soundwave, he is the dev of the game we all pay for be it in time or money, he is making a profit from us by providing a service, when we did not receive this "We was MAD".
And I'm sure people did get banned over said incident.
Mittens is a player and a CSM member, he did not change the game in a breaking way nor did he try and take our money, he just made a really douche bag move, which to an eve player is possibly acceptable, but explain the story to anyone outside of the "EVE MENTALITY" and see the results.

TL:DR, That is a pretty stupid comparison.
KanashiiKami
#2217 - 2012-03-27 18:18:39 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?



The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.

He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so.

The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader.


yes it is disturbing ... highly disturbing that there is so much defense for such an act ...

WUT ???
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#2218 - 2012-03-27 18:19:56 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?



The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.

He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so.

The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader.


I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective.
The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done.

It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage.

So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2219 - 2012-03-27 18:20:13 UTC
Kill Rockstar wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?


We pay CCP to maintain a game and do not expect to get screwed over by the devs with there money grabbing ways or miss direction of Incarna.
People had a right to be mad at Soundwave, he is the dev of the game we all pay for be it in time or money, he is making a profit from us by providing a service, when we did not receive this "We was MAD".
And I'm sure people did get banned over said incident.
Mittens is a player and a CSM member, he did not change the game in a breaking way nor did he try and take our money, he just made a really douche bag move, which to an eve player is possibly acceptable, but explain the story to anyone outside of the "EVE MENTALITY" and see the results.

TL:DR, That is a pretty stupid comparison.



Calling for someones death, even in jest since he was calling on others to do it for him whom might not have taken it as a joke is not something you can just let slide.

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Prince Kobol
#2220 - 2012-03-27 18:20:25 UTC
I believe it was Helicity Boson who was banned for Telling CCP Zinfandel that death by fire would be too quick.

Had all 3 accounts banned if I remember correcly