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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Prince Kobol
#2161 - 2012-03-27 16:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Manssell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".

It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.


You may think they are reporting it wrong but that doesn't matter, the fact is that IS the way it has been reported.
Saul Caris
#2162 - 2012-03-27 16:44:34 UTC
Do not support. I don't support the Mittani's platform either, but I don't see why he should resign. Granted the Alliance Panel should be overhauled so they're not all drunk when they do it, but far worse things are said in game.

The apology is enough for me.
nestafarios
stooge in plain sight
#2163 - 2012-03-27 16:48:51 UTC
Welcome to the political arena m8, everything you say can and will be held against you; especially when it is aired for many to see, public speaking is an interesting thing, and sometimes what you say may have consequences.

A leader in a PUBLIC arena (and that is the issue) must be careful of his/her words and actions, because they are representing something larger than they are. Repercussions should follow the CSM guidelines what ever they may be.
Temmu Guerra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2164 - 2012-03-27 16:49:30 UTC
Anyone else notice that either all the stories are getting quotes from the same guy or just running the same story...
velox
Silver Guardians
#2165 - 2012-03-27 16:49:41 UTC
Manssell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".

It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.


Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now.

Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game.

Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else.

In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident.
Sol Tertia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2166 - 2012-03-27 16:51:39 UTC
Xython wrote:

It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and mocking fake suicide threats, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better.

The Mittani disagrees, in his own words 'While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.'

I'm not going to comment either publicly or privately on whether he should resign or not but defending what he said seems a little pointless when he himself thinks he behaved like a ****.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2167 - 2012-03-27 16:54:10 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Prince Kobol
#2168 - 2012-03-27 16:55:38 UTC
Welsige wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.


Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2169 - 2012-03-27 16:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Welsige
velox wrote:
Manssell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".

It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.


Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now.

Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game.

Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else.

In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident.



But its not really harassment. No one will stop the guy on the street and call him out. No one will post in his real life facebook, twitter, whatever. No one will know about it, just the online persona. And really, who gives a **** about it in-game? I could care less about a miner and as far as I am concerned he can keep his mining and I wont even remember his name in 1 week.

To be truthfull, the people making the most damage are you guys stirring all this mess and publicity.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Lexmana
#2170 - 2012-03-27 16:57:56 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Welsige wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.


Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.


Did you listen to David Ried at fanfest? Stories about the harsh nature of EVE is its biggest marketing asset.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2171 - 2012-03-27 16:59:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Welsige wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.


Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.



Now, do they?

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2172 - 2012-03-27 17:01:59 UTC
low26 wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
low26 wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:


And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion

Quote:

unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas

Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.


From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.



Goon alts need not reply P



And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me?


It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent Lol


You don't seem very intelligent.

It's obvious that I'm not an NPC alt, but an NPC main.

You decided that I'm a Goon alt just because of the opinions I have stated on the subject in hand and despite my corporate history, which in no way indicates I'm being anyone's alt, let alone Goon's. This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2173 - 2012-03-27 17:02:36 UTC
Welsige wrote:
velox wrote:
Manssell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".

It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.


Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now.

Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game.

Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else.

In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident.



But its not really harassment. No one will stop the guy on the street and call him out. No one will post in his real life facebook, twitter, whatever. No one will know about it, just the online persona. And really, who gives a **** about it in-game? I could care less about a miner and as far as I am concerned he can keep his mining and I wont even remember his name in 1 week.

To be truthfull, the people making the most damage are you guys stirring all this mess and publicity.


Except for the fact that he had personal information in his bio, such as a link to his website and blog.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2174 - 2012-03-27 17:02:37 UTC
Manssell wrote:


So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".



I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment.

Quote:


It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.


I think this is deserving of a HTFU. So HTFU. As much as Mittens loves to profess meta-gaming superiority, is it any wonder it is now being turned upon him?

Don't ban me, bro!
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2175 - 2012-03-27 17:04:02 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
-1

Stop whining. He acted fine



Is it embarrassing to be this ignorant? Or do you just not notice?

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Fox Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2176 - 2012-03-27 17:04:29 UTC
Quote:
This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.


Oooooh Snap ...

+1
Prince Kobol
#2177 - 2012-03-27 17:05:40 UTC
Welsige wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Welsige wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.


Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.



Now, do they?



Well if they didn't they could of just told Euro Gamer that it was all just a joke and nobody should be offended. Instead they said and I quote

In response, CCP issued a statement criticising the "abhorrent behaviour" that occurred. It is reproduced in full below.

"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.

"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.

"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.

"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.

"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others."

Now maybe they don't give a **** and this is all just spin, I guess we will see in the next few days when CCP make an announcement.
stoicfaux
#2178 - 2012-03-27 17:12:18 UTC
Manssell wrote:

Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"?

Speaking of getting it wrong, blowing up someone's internet spaceships and griefing aren't in the same category as: "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is..." In public. In front of a video camera being streamed to a world wide audience. About a guy who claimed to be suicidal.

It's a subtle distinction, but an important one.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
KanashiiKami
#2179 - 2012-03-27 17:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: KanashiiKami
i read what mitani said about his apology,

i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?

1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. so now you are elected to power, and you empower your followers to act like a terrorist too ? so the in game terrorism fails to amuse or entertain you enough, and so due to your drunkardness you expressed you hearts desires IRL? to openly terrorize real people?
2. you are present before a public event, secondarily representing a game community. and you asked the players to get someone to kill himself. and think that the person is a joke IRL? and by getting everyone to laugh along with you on it means it is fine?
3. his reasoning is that he is drunk and he accepts that as a serious mistake? so, you expect me to agree that because you are drunk you can command thousand of folks to go around killing other people IRL? so what happens if you get into a mental state that have more dangerous thoughts? it is not funny to belittle a mentally challenged person.

i will not accept just a simple reprimand by expulsion from CSM. i will like to see bans. what he did DOES NOT promote good game culture. period. and not being reprimanded will only lead to worse events in the future.

PERMA player ban for alex

WUT ???
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2180 - 2012-03-27 17:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
Karim alRashid wrote:
low26 wrote:

From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.



Goon alts need not reply P



It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent Lol[/quote]

You don't seem very intelligent.

It's obvious that I'm not an NPC alt, but an NPC main.

You decided that I'm a Goon alt just because of the opinions I have stated on the subject in hand and despite my corporate history, which in no way indicates I'm being anyone's alt, let alone Goon's. This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.[/quote]



Yes, because no one in this game has hidden alts amirite? Roll

You assume simply because you spam the forums, people are going to beleive every word you say? You could be anyone, no player in game has anyway to tell different. So most people are going to assume your a Goon, or a wannabee Goon.
That anonymity gives a huge advantage for the morally bankrupt crowd. Only CCP knows for sure, and even that is probably questionable. With the number of accounts I've seen passed around thru the years, there are probably 1000's of accounts that CCP has no idea who is running now.


The Goon's mantra is to ruin the game for everyone else, at this rate, they may actually succeed if this keeps up...Lol

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