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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2081 - 2012-03-27 14:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenrir Andven
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:

"Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context

See what I did there

Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.


The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event

That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game.

And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise.


I read his apology, but that doesn't mean what he thinks is the hive mind to what the members of GS thinks. After all, we aren't CSM, so we are allowed to think what is best for us, in this case, defending us from the nefarious witch hunters who demand his resignation.
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2082 - 2012-03-27 14:04:03 UTC
I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?"
It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2083 - 2012-03-27 14:05:37 UTC
Walker Ahashion wrote:
I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?"
It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble.


Whelp, better lock our firewalls and keep our computers firmly in check, you never know. A gangsta might just pop out and e-stab you.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2084 - 2012-03-27 14:06:42 UTC
Welsige wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.

Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.



He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story.


I am sure his parents would be equally happy and heading out of their grieving had he killed himself too.

They can do a lot with 10b isk!

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Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2085 - 2012-03-27 14:08:22 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Heimatar Auctioneer
JTK Fotheringham


"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.

IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.

This is an outrage.



Aye, this thread is as bully as the video, probably more. People are using this to push their own agendas of Mittani hatred.

Stop hatting.

You are all bullies and deserve being banned from the game.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2086 - 2012-03-27 14:08:23 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
I don't know what worries me more.

The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.

The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.

Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow.
Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.

After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?

If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?





If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not .
Tajidan
TURN LEFT
HYDRA RELOADED
#2087 - 2012-03-27 14:08:57 UTC
The CSM should clearly end itself.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#2088 - 2012-03-27 14:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not .

No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Ruiner Drudge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2089 - 2012-03-27 14:12:02 UTC
This thread is stupid and you should all feel ashamed of yourselves.
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
#2090 - 2012-03-27 14:13:23 UTC
quick question:

How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?

There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I won't express my opinion or condemn any single argument. I'll just point out the things that don't make much sense to me.

Only so much can be said about a topic that is so simple. Mittens got drunk, said something at an optional panel that happened to be broadcast on Eve TV for it's entertainment value. He was not calling on the harassment of a real person or an E-mail address that a real person would use to handle all of their day to day activities. His eve persona was under attack (beyond optional), which is nothing new for Eve players. Mittens is not the only person to harrass someone to the point of quitting eve - even if he might be the most public.

These are the facts. No one else has been chastized by CCP or entities outside of Eve for these kinds of grief tactics. Indeed, the Guiding Hand scheme was a large magnet to bring people to Eve. It was not decried by the populace at large. It was praised as a testament to the open sandbox nature of Eve and drew in far more people than would have left as the numbers have clearly shown over the years (from the new marketing guy's presentation).

This all being said, the more fodder you give to the troll, the more power (influence) he will have as that is what Eve is all about at the end of the day. No party is doing anything to damage the reputation of Mittens, and in fact, everyone talking about it is giving him exactly what one party doesn't want him to have (more influence). If you want to kill trolls, the only weapon that works (aside from killing their corporal form) is apathy. Show them that you don't care (by not discussing it) and you will do more damage to said troll and his supporters than a permanent ban from devs or an arrest from law enforcement ever could.
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2091 - 2012-03-27 14:14:04 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Heimatar Auctioneer
JTK Fotheringham


"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.

IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.

This is an outrage.


I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me. Big smile
CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2092 - 2012-03-27 14:16:56 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not .

No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do.



so what you are saying if a friend of yours was feeling depressed and somebody else encouraged people to make that person actually go ahead and top himself and he did then you would be ok with that . I am sure u would not .
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2093 - 2012-03-27 14:18:01 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Heimatar Auctioneer
JTK Fotheringham


"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.

IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.

This is an outrage.


I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me. Big smile


I see we have reached an agreement citizen.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2094 - 2012-03-27 14:19:51 UTC
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:

After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?

If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?


While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted.

Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for.

You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness.

All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be.


Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2095 - 2012-03-27 14:22:05 UTC
The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.

He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.Roll
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2096 - 2012-03-27 14:22:30 UTC
111 pages!

Done, signature edited with perfection!...

Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2097 - 2012-03-27 14:23:34 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.

He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.Roll


Heh, if it isn't this, then it would be 100+ pages about the Titan Nerf.
Benilopax
Colonial Industries
#2098 - 2012-03-27 14:23:45 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.

He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.Roll


He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now.

...

Capacity gear
True Terraners
#2099 - 2012-03-27 14:24:45 UTC
I have an important announcement!!

this is pretty shocking so i hope you are all sitting down for this:


my name isn't really 'Capacity gear',......astounding i know, take a few min's to take it in

I'm glad i've got that out of the way, now i'd just like to say if anyone says/mails/derps live on stage any negative (or positive) comments about me (capacity gear) i will not hold it against them, and i wouldn't expect CCP to do either
Capacity gear
True Terraners
#2100 - 2012-03-27 14:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Capacity gear
Benilopax wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.

He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.Roll


He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now.



Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo