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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2061 - 2012-03-27 13:24:23 UTC
What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.

The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.

All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.

His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Dranchela
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2062 - 2012-03-27 13:30:21 UTC
You people are taking this far too seriously.
Capacity gear
True Terraners
#2063 - 2012-03-27 13:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Capacity gear
4 words.......

DIE -- IN -- A -- FIRE, diaf.


So often used in eve it has become a meme,. even CCP soundwave said it on eve TV, saying such a thing is easily comparable to 'go kill yourself' or words to that effect, how did this get blown out of proportion?


Last year there were a couple of films made about 'cyber-bulling' ( ridiculous term to be honest ), and a few news articles about such things hence the media coverage, however in all of these cases the ''cyber-bullying'' happened on social media sites such as face book and alike,.....

and there it is

It simply cannot be called cyber-bullying as the avatar doesn't exists, sure the person controlling it does, but he was never referred by his/her real name, its really is that simple.

if this isn't the case surly the war dec'ng system is merely a facility for cyber-bullying? i mean people harrasing me in game?? perhaps not,. but surly suicide ganking is, its without my consent?.


the underlining point is this,. you can't bully an avatar as such a thing can be turned off or reprocessed, you may not like the way '' you've'' (your avatar ) been treated, but at the end of the day the avatar isn't you.


if this goes any furthers than a joke, then i call for ccp soundwave to resign as he said 'die in a fire' live on eve TV,. and then subsequently everyone who has said similar things in game to be removed ( this will include me )



p.s,.. i hate the term 'diaf' ,. that really is a horrible thing to say,. not reason to kill yourself mind,. but worth a look at yourself
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2064 - 2012-03-27 13:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: JTK Fotheringham
Lenrir Andven wrote:


You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)

This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.

Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.


"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play.

"Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya.

If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens.

If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2065 - 2012-03-27 13:32:34 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.

The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.

All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.

His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.


Wait, we aren't a Hive Mind? What treachery is this?!
Capacity gear
True Terraners
#2066 - 2012-03-27 13:35:04 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:


You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)

This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.

Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.


"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play.

"Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya.

If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens.

If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.




avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar

some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****

met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#2067 - 2012-03-27 13:35:41 UTC
I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.

Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2068 - 2012-03-27 13:37:34 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:


You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)

This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.

Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.


"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play.

"Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya.

If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens.

If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.


"Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context.

See what I did there?

Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.

Or must I bring out a certain video in the form of 'Serenity Now' crashing a 'funeral' in WoW? Would you class that as fair-play (and totally funny), or cyber-bullying because they are kicking someone who is already confirmed to of departed?

Also implying EVE Online/CCP has enough clout to influence a bunch of fogeys running a business. I think good sir, that the mad one is you.
Fox Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2069 - 2012-03-27 13:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Fox Amatin
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.

Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.


+1

Now It's at a point that it's blown out of proportion. Some of these posts ... No just no.
AtaSaal
Die..Brut
#2070 - 2012-03-27 13:41:53 UTC
Capacity gear wrote:



avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar

some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****

met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught



You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution.
From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2071 - 2012-03-27 13:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Welsige
Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.

Then we talk.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2072 - 2012-03-27 13:47:01 UTC
Welsige wrote:

Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.

The we talk.


QFT
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2073 - 2012-03-27 13:47:21 UTC
AtaSaal wrote:


There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)




Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared:::

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2074 - 2012-03-27 13:48:52 UTC
Welsige wrote:
AtaSaal wrote:


There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)




Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared:::


Make sure not to roll three doubles!
Capacity gear
True Terraners
#2075 - 2012-03-27 13:49:40 UTC
AtaSaal wrote:
Capacity gear wrote:



avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar

some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****

met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught



You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution.
From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)




what is this law you speak of?? this in the INTERWEBZ!!!!! your laws mean nothing here!!!

but seriously, which country's law would you adopt in this case as every country has its own idea on what is legal and illegal?

for instance sleeping with a 15yo in my country would have you tryed as a pedophile sex offender,.. however in Denmark its perfectly legal,.. so are all danes pedos?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#2076 - 2012-03-27 13:50:22 UTC
I don't know what worries me more.

The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.

The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.

Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow.
Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.

After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?

If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2077 - 2012-03-27 13:55:32 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.

Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.



He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2078 - 2012-03-27 13:57:49 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:

"Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context

See what I did there

Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.


The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event

That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game.

And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise.
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2079 - 2012-03-27 14:00:07 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:

After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?

If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?


While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted.

Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for.

You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness.

All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be.

Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2080 - 2012-03-27 14:02:25 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer
JTK Fotheringham


"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.

IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.

This is an outrage.

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