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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2021 - 2012-03-27 12:36:51 UTC
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.

The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?


Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#2022 - 2012-03-27 12:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.



Making negative headlines is not likely what CCP would have hoped for.

CSMs represent the player base but they're not a true representation of the demographics of that player base as most people don't even vote. Main reasons most people don't vote, they don't see the point in the CSM and/or they have no real idea who they would be voting for (plus some can't be bothered). It's not like political parties where if you're not sure about the candidate you can still vote for them if you have a party preference.

I think the Mittani should resign as CSM as he said he intends to (if he's not done it already). I have nothing against him personally or the Goons and their associates, although it's obvious that some people posting do.

If he was to stand for CSM next year, I would have no problem with that, that's if CCP are willing to risk it.


Although the one thing that concerns me most about The Mittani as being on the CSM is his attitude about putting his self-interest above anything else. That of course would be ok if your view matched his perfectly.

I'll edit in the quote in a minute.

Edit:

Sasha Azala wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Self-interest takes priority over other people.


And you are the chair of the CSM Roll
Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2023 - 2012-03-27 12:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kehro Urgus
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.

The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?

How about blaming the the other 90% or so who didn't bother to vote and suddenly decide this is a big deal?

Yeeee! 
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2024 - 2012-03-27 12:39:02 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.

The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?


Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels.

He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.
Celinei X'Mora
Darkside Harvesting Co.
Space.Ghosts
#2025 - 2012-03-27 12:39:32 UTC
I am also trying to say CCP shares in this. This behavior is condoned by there own rules. Their rules are supported by us, the players.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2026 - 2012-03-27 12:42:36 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.

The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?


Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels.

He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.


Oh he has, has he? Are we suddenly rolling back all the crucible changes? Is CCP going ahead with it's pay to win scheme? No?

As far as the media, Eve THRIVES on media coverage like this. Eve has as many subs as it does because you can be a complete bastard and get away with it. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Christ, you're full of ****.
MindRanger
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2027 - 2012-03-27 12:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: MindRanger
Looking at this image with Red Bull and Jaeger - I can honestly understand why better judgement went t-i-t-s up.

I'm such a hypocrite, I'd easily do the same blunder ingesting those amounts of rocket fuel myself...

^^ But meh, what can you do. GG Mittens, better luck next time ..

http://postimage.org/image/lb4yecqrr/
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#2028 - 2012-03-27 12:44:51 UTC
I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets that I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:
"Now the old king is dead!
Long live the king!"

One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
Once you go there was never, never an honest word
That was when I ruled the world
(Ohhh)

It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become

Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells a ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world
(Ohhhhh Ohhh Ohhh)

I hear Jerusalem bells a ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world
Oooooh Oooooh Oooooh
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2029 - 2012-03-27 12:47:10 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:



Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all.

But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.
RogueMind
KnightHammer Industries
#2030 - 2012-03-27 12:48:00 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:

Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#2031 - 2012-03-27 12:49:49 UTC
MindRanger wrote:
Looking at this image with Red Bull and Jaeger - I can honestly understand why better judgement went t-i-t-s up.

I'm such a hypocrite, I'd easily do the same blunder ingesting those amounts of rocket fuel myself...

^^ But meh, what can you do. GG Mittens, better luck next time ..

http://postimage.org/image/lb4yecqrr/


Then you shouldn't drink that much.

Mittens is old enough to know his tolerance, and old enough to know better.

It's an unfortunate reality of EVE that a lot of scumbags and cretins congregate here. It's just the simple fact that their behavior is not tolerated anywhere else. It's also an unfortunate fact of American society that young boys think themselves "grown men" as soon as they hit the magic one eight, even though their maturity level, as we've seen, is on par with a 14 year old. A 14 year old who's been given a gun. It's a frightening thought that our men aren't really growing up anymore.

At any rate, this was actually expected to happen. EVE is going mainstream and CCP is starting to realize what it takes to run a legitimate business. And now Goons get to witness first hand the consequences of not taking anything seriously.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2032 - 2012-03-27 12:50:40 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Celinei X'Mora wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain

This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.

CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules

The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM

So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing

Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.

The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?


Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels.

He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.


Yet George Bush has done worse than him yet the Americans opted to Re-elect him. Your logic is absolutely flawed.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#2033 - 2012-03-27 12:51:25 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:



Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all.

But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.


Sometimes bad people do good things.

It doesn't change the fact that they're bad people.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2034 - 2012-03-27 12:52:39 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:



Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all.

But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.


If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
AtaSaal
Die..Brut
#2035 - 2012-03-27 12:55:55 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
[quote=Celinei X'Mora]
Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying.



As an party member in Germany, not a lawyer, but speaker for an net policy task force, cyberbulllying is part of my "area" and from the viewpoint of german law, there is no blur.

- He declared this as an real person, and there is no special law for virtual avatars.The same speech ingame would be as troublesome. Being drunk, is no "get out of jail" card.
- Those who follow this, do this as real persons.
- Virtual characters don't make you immune to the law. RP is no excuse. If you deny the Holocaust (crime in Germany, not protected by the right of free speech), no virtuality will save you.
- For Germans, it doesn't matter what law location CCP uses. CCP can act like they want (banning anyone). Acts commited in the web by german citizens are ruled by german law. Principle is the point of origin.
- Going to court... is experimental, depending on international contracts between Germany and the victims country. I know it only for the EU, in this case, an German court would take actions.
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2036 - 2012-03-27 12:56:17 UTC
When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"

THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?

Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.

The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.

And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.

He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.

Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2037 - 2012-03-27 12:57:39 UTC
RogueMind wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:

Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.


You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing.



You mean how he showed up way late for the riots and then took credit for them after initially not supporting them?


You serious?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#2038 - 2012-03-27 12:58:19 UTC
papamike wrote:
When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"

THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?

Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.

The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.

And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.

He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.

Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this.


Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.

There is no excuse.
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2039 - 2012-03-27 12:59:57 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
papamike wrote:
When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"

THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?

Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.

The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.

And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.

He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.

Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this.


Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.

There is no excuse.


Judging by the recent action, it seems like he is just a paralegal. What a shame.
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2040 - 2012-03-27 13:00:44 UTC
AtaSaal wrote:
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
[quote=Celinei X'Mora]
Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying.



As an party member in Germany, not a lawyer, but speaker for an net policy task force, cyberbulllying is part of my "area" and from the viewpoint of german law, there is no blur.

- He declared this as an real person, and there is no special law for virtual avatars.The same speech ingame would be as troublesome. Being drunk, is no "get out of jail" card.
- Those who follow this, do this as real persons.
- Virtual characters don't make you immune to the law. RP is no excuse. If you deny the Holocaust (crime in Germany, not protected by the right of free speech), no virtuality will save you.
- For Germans, it doesn't matter what law location CCP uses. CCP can act like they want (banning anyone). Acts commited in the web by german citizens are ruled by german law. Principle is the point of origin.
- Going to court... is experimental, depending on international contracts between Germany and the victims country. I know it only for the EU, in this case, an German court would take actions.


Considering he is an American Citizen, you and I both know he could very easily have been in the heart of Berlin while making these comments to a German and be confident that there would be no chance whatsoever that he would be tried under German law, so I doubt CCP is too concerned about the implications in Germany.

I do however understand and appreciate your sentiments.