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Kara Roideater
#1441 - 2012-03-27 09:52:05 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:


So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.


You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).

And your definition of 'a total non-event' and 'a mole-hill' appears to be one that is not widely shared. It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people. That it is not an issue for you just puts you in lock-step with the attitude that caused the issue in the first place. It was because the Mittani also thought it was not a big deal that he felt able to say what he did. Social mores, unfortunately for you, currently seem to have a wholly different opinion of the situation.
Lexmana
#1442 - 2012-03-27 09:59:10 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people.


It is getting press because press lives on drama and they have no trouble blowing things out of proportion in hopes of getting visitors to their sites.
Kara Roideater
#1443 - 2012-03-27 09:59:30 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:


You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.


Actually, I don't believe in morals (certainly not in a better/worse sense). I do find it deeply amusing though that you post this kind of moral relativistic claptrap while trying to show that other people shouldn't be acting in a certain way. What you are really advancing in the claim that your morals are superior whilst using the (self-refuting) relativist claim as a tool for attacking those that you don't agree with. If you were a true moral relativist (if such a thing were possible), you would find nothing to criticise in the views of those you are opposing.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1444 - 2012-03-27 10:01:22 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer Straight

now you know
Svenne007
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1445 - 2012-03-27 10:02:05 UTC
Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.

With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....

And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.

He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.

We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are!
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1446 - 2012-03-27 10:03:25 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
I wish I had voted for Mintchip. You know? LOL.


Mintchip stood for CSM? I should pay more attention to the elections. P
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1447 - 2012-03-27 10:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Deka
Svenne007 wrote:
Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.

With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....

And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.

He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.

We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are!


President Obama had a slip during a private moment talking to Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister. So should President Obama lose his job right now because of it? No, that's absurd.

The same can be said, not literally of course the situations are different, of Mittani.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1448 - 2012-03-27 10:06:24 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.


You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).


Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps.

Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right?

What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game.

So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough.
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
#1449 - 2012-03-27 10:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mecinia Lua
I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.

Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1450 - 2012-03-27 10:08:22 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.


You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).

And your definition of 'a total non-event' and 'a mole-hill' appears to be one that is not widely shared. It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people. That it is not an issue for you just puts you in lock-step with the attitude that caused the issue in the first place. It was because the Mittani also thought it was not a big deal that he felt able to say what he did. Social mores, unfortunately for you, currently seem to have a wholly different opinion of the situation.


So, minor internet spaceships personality makes ******** comment, apologises and apparently this grovelling has been accepted by person who was apparently close to death but turns out wasn't and couldn't give a s**t and is now 10bil richer in internet space koin terms.

But wait, this could have been a total disaster in a parallel dimension and although I was in no way involved I feel I must stand up for SPACE EHONOUREE. THEREFORE, I DEMAND CSM CHAIR BE SENT TO THE CHAIR (ELECTRIC) RIGHT NOW GODDAMMIT!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1451 - 2012-03-27 10:08:54 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.


You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).


Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps.

Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right?

What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game.

So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough.

Alexander Gianturco was speaking, not The Mittani. Let's be clear.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
dangphat
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1452 - 2012-03-27 10:08:58 UTC
Svenne007 wrote:
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are!

The Mittani has shown he is a loving person, he has done this by showing his humility in his apology and his emotional intelligence in not throwing away the views of those 10000 people who voted him into power.

"What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love.”

Give The Mittani the power to love.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1453 - 2012-03-27 10:09:27 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.


Actually, I don't believe in morals


See, now you're not even trying to be consistent.
Hactar 42
House of Sins
Silent Nova
#1454 - 2012-03-27 10:11:12 UTC
I find it hard to bear, that there is the CSM, which obviously has some real power and which is led by a goon - not because most of the eve-players want him to, but because the biggest alliance (full of idiots and having grown big with the mass-instead-of-class-method) told their members to vote for him.
Lexmana
#1455 - 2012-03-27 10:11:18 UTC
Mecinia Lua wrote:
I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.

Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.


You didn't see the event but you want him to resign? That is the nature of the mob.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1456 - 2012-03-27 10:11:19 UTC
Also M I hope I'm wrong in my suspision you post under the name 'Lady Harlot' as your forum alt

As while I can't find out

If this comes to the attention of any legal body anywhere your anonymity will not be protected

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1457 - 2012-03-27 10:11:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.


You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).


Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps.

Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right?

What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game.

So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough.

Alexander Gianturco was speaking, not The Mittani. Let's be clear.

Spectacular. I'm sure you'll note for me where this changes any of the content of the above post in any way other than the cosmetic of replacing "Mittani" and "Mittens" with "Alex"
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1458 - 2012-03-27 10:12:17 UTC
Mecinia Lua wrote:
I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.

Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.


They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it.

CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1459 - 2012-03-27 10:14:25 UTC
Fenris Deka wrote:
Mecinia Lua wrote:
I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.

Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.


They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it.

CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme.



No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Lexmana
#1460 - 2012-03-27 10:14:37 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Also M I hope I'm wrong in my suspision you post under the name 'Lady Harlot' as your forum alt

As while I can't find out

If this comes to the attention of any legal body anywhere your anonymity will not be protected

You smell blood don't you? And you like it. Why don't you go and blow up a few spaceships instead to get the steam off instead of badposting on the forums.