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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1821 - 2012-03-27 03:51:24 UTC
TruthState wrote:
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.



Hey dumbass.

He is not the public representitive of eve online to the outside world..

He is the player representative to the developers.

There IS a difference.
TruthState
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1822 - 2012-03-27 03:54:39 UTC
You have a problem with reading comprehension...

Fatal Ascension duder.

Read it again what i was saying.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1823 - 2012-03-27 03:55:11 UTC
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.


Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1824 - 2012-03-27 03:56:28 UTC
TruthState wrote:
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.



Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1825 - 2012-03-27 04:00:48 UTC
TruthState wrote:
You have a problem with reading comprehension...

Fatal Ascension duder.

Read it again what i was saying.


No, I do not.

In the 5 plus years that I have been playing this game. I have seen and heard much worse. This is a cutthroat game and this guy was not and will not be the last poor soul to give some sob story about how he wants to kill himself for loosing 23 ships at one time.

Was it wrong to make a joke about the guy's attempt to gain sympathy? Sure. I will give you that. But its not something that is at all uncommon in eve online. Mittens apologized to the pilot, and they have settled the matter privately and he issued a public apology. I can accept that. It's over and done with.

If you want to play a game where everyone is touchy feely and worried about feelings. You should check out hello kitty online.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1826 - 2012-03-27 04:01:12 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
TruthState wrote:
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.



Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?


You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?
TruthState
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1827 - 2012-03-27 04:04:28 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
TruthState wrote:
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.



Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?



Your looking at peoples personal bias. I have no personal bias here myself. Im looking at the general act of what the Mittan didi. To me its repulsive that someone is actively pursuing cyber bullying, at someone that basically confided in someone about their in real life. It is very clear what the mittanis intention was when you look at the video. This is not the conduct that is expected from the top ingame player representative of the eve player base.

The Mittani wants to be a public figure, and more is expected out of our public figurse to respect the rules set forth by Eve Online, and the EULA.

This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference.
Myxx
The Scope
#1828 - 2012-03-27 04:04:45 UTC
Aker Krane wrote:
Shandir wrote:
The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.

This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now.



This.

Our little game is about to learn a lesson about consequences over this.
When you are a public figure, what you say has consequences.

Thanks Mittens for making this game the poster child for internet bullying.
Intended or not. You get a well deserved "F" for this.

For those of you defending this: Smarten up.

CCP: Cut him loose. There is nothing positive that holding on to him will bring.

There are larger consequences here than what he said.

Good luck to you all on this one.


This.

Mittens, I already had a poor opinion of you... I didn't think it could get any worse. Thanks for proving that it always can.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1829 - 2012-03-27 04:04:55 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
TruthState wrote:
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.



Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?


You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?



Why are you insulting this man? Don't you realize that all you are is a cyber bully. What if he is unstable. What if because of the words you said on an internet forum he harms himself?
MindRanger
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1830 - 2012-03-27 04:05:23 UTC
Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse.
Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely.

Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did.

orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.



Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1831 - 2012-03-27 04:07:18 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Silas Kautsuo wrote:
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
Algia Knightstorm wrote:
There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****.


Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break.


I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable.


Wow.

Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the issue.

The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to.

This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened.

YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way.

No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself.

If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it.


This. If this has everyone up in arms, the kind of **** talking that went on during the Pendulum wars would invoke flaming **** from permanently singed rectums the likes of which have not been seen since moses yelled 'Problem, Pharoah?" across the red sea.


Please show the Fanfest youtube links where a member publicly called for his alliance members to harass someone who had claimed to be suicidal.

No such youtube? Yes indeed. Because you like making things up.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1832 - 2012-03-27 04:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?


Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.

* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull


TruthState wrote:
This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference.


Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative.

This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1833 - 2012-03-27 04:10:59 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.




Calling for a player to be openly harassed is a violation of the EULA.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1834 - 2012-03-27 04:11:07 UTC
MindRanger wrote:
Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse.
Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely.

Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did.

orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.





The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all.

The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide.

He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private.

I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.


orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1835 - 2012-03-27 04:13:09 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.




Calling for a player to be openly harassed is a violation of the EULA.


It's not harassment. It's pvp.

If he had given the guys real name and address and asked for people to go and harass the man in real life. I would agree.

But I'm sorry. I think you are terrible at eve and everyone should hunt you down and kill you.

oh wait. I forgot this game is about peace and love, not war, and voilence.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#1836 - 2012-03-27 04:14:18 UTC
Clearly what this is, is the most elaborate hoax to draw attention away from the wardec / aggression mechanics and various other implementations in the future so they can get to work in peace. Sagenod~

/tinfoil

Oh god what happened, oh yes, rawr The Mittani!

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#1837 - 2012-03-27 04:17:04 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.




he called out for players to hunt him down and grief him in the same manner he was griefed before. you know.. that part where it affected him so much he expressed a desire 'to end it all'?

you're arguing over semantics where we both know the net result / net effect. alex didnt incite everyone to go and kill his mackinaws, he incited everyone to 'make him kill himself'

his words m8, his words.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1838 - 2012-03-27 04:18:04 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?


Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.

* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull


TruthState wrote:
This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference.


Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative.

This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell.


Exactly.

No one here gives two ***** about "The Wis". He is just their scapegoat to try to get to Mittens.


Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1839 - 2012-03-27 04:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
The EULA defines it so.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1840 - 2012-03-27 04:18:54 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?


[quote]Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.

* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull


I'm sorry, how are we outdoing someone who publicly called for thousands of attack dogs to grief someone?

I know, I know, just string nonsense together. Most people will think they don't "get it". I get it just fine. You are spinning and lying and if the current nonsense doesn't work you'll just switch to something else.

I mean really, "we are outdoing the Mittani". Really.

You guys truly come unglued when anyone is mean to you, don't you?