EVE General Discussion

agreed kick that ******* out

Noted, i voted for him, but ti sets a bad president. I'm sure he knows it too. He also knows he would still have a powerful voice on the CSM, he just has to live up the power to be a public figure.

point is, pure and simple he deserves to lose his position, or else PR for the CSM turns the CSM into a joke that is pro-bully. not pro-fake bullying in eve online. But real cyber bullying.

The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.

This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now.

He has done no such thing. Thankfully, it will be forced upon him.

Also, you have been crying about it for about a hundred pages now. That's a matter of public record and all.

Let me relate a story.

In 2008 I was the acting company commander for our battalion's service and support company. We had a Marine I knew about who was suicidal because his girlfriend of six years had been sleeping around while he was deployed. He'd thoroughly loved her and was devastated when he found this out. This Marine was exemplary, and in great health - both mentally and physically - before all this happened. In classic Marine fashion, several of his NCOs said that he didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. They didn't care about him, and they openly mocked him for it.

He checked out his personal sidearm to "clean". It was a .45-caliber pistol. Instead of bringing it to the range, he brought it back to his barracks room and loaded it. We were lucky that the corporal on duty realized what he had and called both myself and the Provost Marshall's Office before he could do anything. I was the only one allowed through the cordon without a badge, because as his company's executive officer and acting company commander, I wanted to be there in case I could help. I considered this man one of my few friends in the Marines, and I didn't like the idea of him pulling the trigger and taking his own life.

He eventually calmed down enough that I was able to walk into his room, unarmed. I had PMO stay back. He was on the first deck of the barracks. He was relating everything, and he simply said, "I want to pull this trigger and just end it." One of the NCOs who had been ragging on him the entire time yelled, "Then do it you ******* *****!" I have never moved so fast in my life. As he brought the gun up, I bolted to him and wrestled for the gun.

He pulled the trigger. Luckily I was the one he shot. Blew out my shoulder when he did, but PMO was quick to rush in when he fired, and they got the gun away from him.

This Marine was exemplary, and I refused to have charges pressed on him. To my knowledge, he continues to serve in uniform, though he was very close to being medically discharged. He was a Lance Corporal, and he's a Staff Sergeant now. He regularly tells his story during suicide prevention classes, and i'd like to think he makes a difference.

But the point of this story is, something as simple as a little ragging can lead to someone going through with the action. Not everyone has someone who can stop them right then and there, and plenty of suicides happen annually.

We are a cruel group of people. We play EVE because it is cruel/ We do everything we can to hurt other people in this game, and many times it goes beyond the game's confines. We are callous to one another because the game allows it. But the problem is, many people don't seem to get that there are lines, and the line was crossed. It's clear those of you supporting Mittens have never witnessed someone take their own life, and most of you don't get that this isn't a laughing matter. Undoubtedly this post will not receive likes, and the only mention it will get is a quote from a Goon followed by "lol u suck". But as a Marine and a human being with empathy, I can tell you that you are scum if you think this is funny, for whatever the reason. If you consider this acceptable, then the problem isn't the people who get suicidal over internet pixel. The problem is you.

Agreed. Thanks for posting this.

well f**king said! +1

EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.

This.

Our little game is about to learn a lesson about consequences over this.
When you are a public figure, what you say has consequences.

Thanks Mittens for making this game the poster child for internet bullying.
Intended or not. You get a well deserved "F" for this.

For those of you defending this: Smarten up.

CCP: Cut him loose. There is nothing positive that holding on to him will bring.

There are larger consequences here than what he said.

Good luck to you all on this one.

The issue is that his apology is not, in any way, heartfelt. Goons have one mission in this game: to ruin it for everyone else. To do that, they must take on the sociopath mentality and lose their "conscience". They are not here to make friends. They are not here to play nice with others. They will lie, cheat, and steal in order to get what they want. And if you're in their way, you're getting hurt.

I respect that Goons are probably exactly what CCP wanted for this game. They are the type of people who make EVE what it is. As such, they can be considered CCP's "favorites". In World of Warcraft, you have the guild Paragon. They cheat and exploit constantly, usually not getting caught but when they do, you will generally find that Blizzard supports them with a claim of "there was no cheating, just clever use of game mechanics". They will take chunks of scripted content and make it obsolete with these glitches. But if you're not Paragon and you do the same thing, expect a one-week ban (I think there was a guild called Exodus on Ysera server that can attest to this). There are very few instances of Paragon being held accountable (first one was on heroic Lich King, and the second was recently, when Looking For Raid came out). They, too, ofer "heartfelt" apologies that lapdogs support. But they go back to doing it all over again. They don't learn, they don't care.

Mittens and Goons will do the exact same thing. The apology is not heartfelt in the slightest.

This is the sort of comments we're getting on page 1 over at Massively...



The Mittani crossed the line into unacceptable, and he has to go. If he doesn't man up, CCP has to remove him.