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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
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#1 - 2012-03-26 20:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Why is this so hard? We can buy faction ships on the market... what is so hard about allowing players to sell faction modules on the regular in-game market? I would say this is one of the "littlest things" that would have a hugely positive economic and game-play impact.

Does anyone know why we don't have faction mods on the market? Can CCP shed some light on this?

Thanks.

Edit - there's no reason for this thread to still be alive. Faction mods on the market and everything else is on the way. Done!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2012-03-26 20:47:40 UTC
It's coming as part of the wardec revamp.
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-03-26 20:50:38 UTC
That is great but I would enjoy not having to wade through the 20 different kinds of 50mm and 100mm plates to get my 1600mm. That and all the Resistance Plates all crammed together. Some categorization there would be nice.
Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive
#4 - 2012-03-26 20:50:56 UTC
Yeah, as part of the improvements to killmails and war battle reports, they want to attach an isk value to each loss. They suggested that this meant all the modules on the market.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-26 20:51:22 UTC
Actually a good point, believe it's going to change however.

Cynically maybe it was viewed that contracts needed something in them to make the system worthwhile? Blink

Sure it will still get to be used with BP's, and lots of other redular items for whatever needed purposes, but logically it could be perceived as beneficial to have faction and officer mods sold in escrow.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2012-03-26 21:06:19 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
That is great but I would enjoy not having to wade through the 20 different kinds of 50mm and 100mm plates to get my 1600mm. That and all the Resistance Plates all crammed together. Some categorization there would be nice.
One would guess that they're do with it the way they do with ammo and ships: categorise as advanced, faction, and standard.

Velicia Tuoro wrote:
Yeah, as part of the improvements to killmails and war battle reports, they want to attach an isk value to each loss. They suggested that this meant all the modules on the market.
I rather got the impression that it was the other way around: they wanted all modules on the market (for a number of reasons), and as a bonus, they could do war and battle reports with ISK losses.

Grumpy Owly wrote:
Sure it will still get to be used with BP's, and lots of other redular items for whatever needed purposes, but logically it could be perceived as beneficial to have faction and officer mods sold in escrow.
They probably figured that, by now, contracts are being so widely used for various purposes, and bulk data updating is so much simpler, that there is no longer any reason to keep certain items from the market. Contracts still allow for far more specific trades (item packages) and trading in singleton objects (blueprints, damaged items, assembled and rigged ships etc.); new and unique items don't require massive patches to make them part of the market list; and the market UI has been updated to support all the different categories you'd want to stick the different variants in.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-26 21:08:42 UTC
Contracts do have one upside. If your looking for something uncommon it is far easier to do a universe wide contract search, than to fly out to every hub to check if there are even any on the market.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-26 21:12:53 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
Contracts do have one upside. If your looking for something uncommon it is far easier to do a universe wide contract search, than to fly out to every hub to check if there are even any on the market.


Though not without it's own problems for realtime economics:

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Gogela
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#9 - 2012-03-26 21:14:36 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
Contracts do have one upside. If your looking for something uncommon it is far easier to do a universe wide contract search, than to fly out to every hub to check if there are even any on the market.

Cindy, do I have the link for you! If you don't know about this I'm about to make your market life a LOT easier. Big smile

http://eve-marketdata.com/

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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-26 21:21:27 UTC
I already use Eve Central, I've gotten some great deals in the past with it.

But since it is player supported its not always up to date. I update it when I can, but I don't have a character in every hub. It would be great if CCP could set up something where we could update markets via API.

With a Contract I don't have to wonder, I know its the most up to date information available.
Gogela
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#11 - 2012-03-26 21:26:32 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
I already use Eve Central, I've gotten some great deals in the past with it.

But since it is player supported its not always up to date. I update it when I can, but I don't have a character in every hub. It would be great if CCP could set up something where we could update markets via API.

With a Contract I don't have to wonder, I know its the most up to date information available.

But don't you find it annoying that for the most part, contracts have to be made in Jita if they are going to float in price with the market? Wouldn't it be a better solution, in your view, to add an EvE-wide price filter to the market rather than keep dealing with contracts? I just think the economy is more efficient when the market runs things... adding anything to the market will cause prices to adjust to a more natural level. (Right now a lot of faction mods are actually really cheap on contracts... cheaper than they should be in my view.)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-03-26 21:31:39 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
I already use Eve Central, I've gotten some great deals in the past with it.

But since it is player supported its not always up to date. I update it when I can, but I don't have a character in every hub. It would be great if CCP could set up something where we could update markets via API.
I didn't sit in on any of the 3rd-party dev sessions, but that sounds like exactly the kind of thing the new CREST API would allow for, and what they'll use for Dust and its companion app.

They might not yet allow for full control from 3rd party software, but it seemed like getting the data out would be well within the realm of possibility, and that would go a long way.
Alain Kinsella
#13 - 2012-03-26 21:36:21 UTC
Velicia Tuoro wrote:
Yeah, as part of the improvements to killmails and war battle reports, they want to attach an isk value to each loss. They suggested that this meant all the modules on the market.


This should also include all ships. Titans were singled out in the discussion.

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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-26 21:37:10 UTC
If your talking about a complete market/contract revamp, yes, that would be great if they could combine them into one functional piece. But most of the action would still be in Jita, because too many players want a central market. I personally try to avoid the place. Super thin margins, and one of the unsafest systems all rolled into one.
Gogela
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#15 - 2012-03-26 21:59:14 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
If your talking about a complete market/contract revamp, yes, that would be great if they could combine them into one functional piece. But most of the action would still be in Jita, because too many players want a central market. I personally try to avoid the place. Super thin margins, and one of the unsafest systems all rolled into one.

Well I'm not saying do away with contracts because they serve a lot of independent useful functions. I just think all in-game items should at least be listed on the market, or at least be able to be listed on the market. I mean, I can buy all the drugs in EvE and a test bong in Jita, why not a Shadow Web?

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Miss Amallia
L'Orfeo
#16 - 2012-04-30 04:52:27 UTC
Yo, I'm pretty glad the .01 isk game can literally be played on every ******* mod now. Thanks CCP.

So long and thanks for all the bullshit.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-30 04:55:47 UTC
Miss Amallia wrote:
Yo, I'm pretty glad the .01 isk game can literally be played on every ******* mod now. Thanks CCP.

So long and thanks for all the bullshit.


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Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-30 05:50:23 UTC
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#19 - 2012-04-30 06:19:32 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
That is great but I would enjoy not having to wade through the 20 different kinds of 50mm and 100mm plates to get my 1600mm. That and all the Resistance Plates all crammed together. Some categorization there would be nice.



I'm betting this drop down will be the same as we see now. Where you have standard cruiser, tech 2 cruiser, and faction cruiser, we'll more than likely have standard armor plates and faction armor plates.

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