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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#661 - 2012-03-26 19:41:03 UTC
Imagine the outrage if someone dared suggest that former csm goon in a wheelchair was put out of his misery! Same thing imo and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#662 - 2012-03-26 19:41:04 UTC
If this is true he should be removed from his position.

Though he is a Goon and this type of behavior is hardly surprising it's also hardly acceptable in any means. This type of mentality hardly represents the player base and is more bad PR for CCP to allow it.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#663 - 2012-03-26 19:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Helicity Boson
Kara Roideater wrote:

c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.


Wrong, because you have no way to determine if this is true or not. Logical failing on your behalf.

Quote:


d) Consequences following from your chosen course of interaction are partly your responsibility. -Correct.



Incorrect, real life actions someone might make as a result of something you do in a video game are not your responsibility, however actions following from his public denouncement, with name, of said player might be.

Quote:

e) Invoking a request to harass someone who has self-identified as suicidal and whom you are unable to rule out as suicidal may lead to serious consequences for that person. - Correct.


Incorrect, by your logic I could state that your counter argument makes me suicidally depressed (and your stupidity is making me get awfully close to that) and you should never reply to me again because it depresses me.

Quote:

f) Therefore, you will be partly responsible for any consequences that might follow from said call to harass. - Correct


I can partly agree there.

Quote:

Now, I could go on from there but it will be easier to leave the emphasis on this point: your actions have consequences and you don't get to disavow responsibility simply because your actions interact with some pre-existing conditions. ALL actions interact with pre-existing conditions.

Nor do you get to disavow responsibility on the grounds that 'I wasn't sure' because if you weren't sure then you gambled with the other person's well-being. Claiming that you only have a responsibility to avoid certain actions if you are 100% sure that something bad will happen is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever heard. Just try running a few thought-experiments on that one will you, and see how they come out. It's better that you work through these basic exercises yourself rather than have your hand held as then the lesson will really stick.


YOU are making it MY responsibility to deal with people I DO NOT know in specific ways, based on a quantification OF THEIR STATE, which I am UNABLE to make, because I am not qualified to do so.

Your logic is weak, you should K-

...

I mean, make spaghetti for yourself yes, that's what i was going to say.
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#664 - 2012-03-26 19:41:35 UTC
All those thousands of buddy invite alts created for NOTHING.

Brilliant.
stoicfaux
#665 - 2012-03-26 19:41:37 UTC
Aileren wrote:

Doubtful.

Here's what might happen. Mittens offers up a token apology, life goes on.

Mittens either steps down from CSM or gets removed. After a period of protest from the Goons in Empire, making thousands of people's game life a nightmare, the goons get a new rep and chair, life goes on.


Other than some mea culpa's I don't see much happening.

Meh, I have to go with Nuela's post on this one, CCP's lawyers might have the final say.

OTOH, if the 'victim' and Mittani have a beer summit with an apology given and accepted publicly, then it might blow over.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#666 - 2012-03-26 19:41:57 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Xython wrote:
Ok, so lets recap:

* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.)
* The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else...
* Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves
* ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"

Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.

What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.



All of what you have posted is fine.

The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan.

When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like

"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net

"Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist

"CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" Developer

"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively

Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online.


Just like how CCP force reverted the BOB disbanding (remember: CCP had alts in BOB) and restore the tens of thousands of dollars in real money that was stolen during the Great Heist.

Oh wait, they didn't? Turns out it's just a bunch of butthurt pubbies going absolutely batshit because Mittani got THE BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY?

COLOR ME SHOCKED.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#667 - 2012-03-26 19:42:07 UTC
Xython wrote:
ViciousCycle wrote:
Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates.


This just in: Goons are Sophisticated, Insensitive Ingrates.

TOTALLY OK WITH THIS


"I don't break character till I record the DVD Commentary!"
Kaleb Rysode
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#668 - 2012-03-26 19:42:40 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
It goes on and on my friends


Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was

"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns."
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#669 - 2012-03-26 19:42:45 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse.


Can I have your stuff?
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#670 - 2012-03-26 19:43:03 UTC
CCP should say **** YOU to the media. No laws have been broken, we're making the majority of our player base happy and that's all that matters.

Some might say that's immoral, I say business is amoral and that eve makes no qualms about being a harsh game, no-one is going to hold your hand, you have to earn your place, just like everyone else.

"Welcome to Eve... Deal with it"
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#671 - 2012-03-26 19:43:22 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Xython wrote:
Ok, so lets recap:

* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.)
* The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else...
* Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves
* ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"

Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.

What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.



All of what you have posted is fine.

The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan.

When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like

"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net

"Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist

"CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer

"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively

Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online.


Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter.

If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#672 - 2012-03-26 19:43:30 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

I agree, the game is the game.

They took it out of the game and were calling for an online lynching of a player at the behest of the mittani in a public venue.

Yeah no matter how many votes he got this is bad.


How do you take something out of game when all you have is an in game name? clearly you people are grabbing at out of game straws.....

who is your main, and what does he do?
GodsVervloek
PAIR OF SCALES
LinkNet
#673 - 2012-03-26 19:43:50 UTC
Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):

Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.

What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.

And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?

Arroggant, loudmouth p***k!
Kaleb Rysode
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#674 - 2012-03-26 19:43:51 UTC
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because,

"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns."
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#675 - 2012-03-26 19:44:34 UTC
Also This (pretty much): Linkage
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#676 - 2012-03-26 19:45:06 UTC
Karadion wrote:
B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.



Why are you talking about the Mittani now like it's a 3rd person? Role playing?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#677 - 2012-03-26 19:45:19 UTC
GodsVervloek wrote:
Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):

Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.

What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.

And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?

Arroggant, loudmouth p***k!


Are you a lawyer?

No?

Shut the **** up.
Di Mulle
#678 - 2012-03-26 19:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Di Mulle
Nuela wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense?



When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits.


I don't know about the lawsuits, maybe it is going too far. But what matters now first, is publicity. Mittens probably may - and be advised to by CCP - to make some apologies and damage control, but for the outside world it probably means nothing and too late already. And inside the EVE that will get him nothing.

Go "mea culpa" and lose huge chunk of the image. Part of forums will burst in a joy, and Mittens probably will be muted to respond with his usual lines, thus losing even more machismo in the eyes of most avid bees. And that world is harsh. Sooner or later he will discover himself the mittens only.

Or refuse to help CCP in a damage control and become the Saint Martyr of Goons and hero on SA. But probably no The Mittani at all then.

Hard choice.
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Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#679 - 2012-03-26 19:45:25 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse.

Can I have your stuff?
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#680 - 2012-03-26 19:45:39 UTC
Adding support for this call.

Bottom line, if he was encouraging people to spam anyone for any reason of harassment here on the forums he would be banned under the rules of terms of service.

He is not a good public rep for the game or community and this simply proves it.

So have one shred of decency and credibility and step down. Or CCP should show some standards and drop you from the CSM.

Feel free now to post your token troll response where you tell me you don;t care what I think because it is all internets and 'not real' now. I really don't care Mittless. But respect is not only earned (which you never have earned from me yet) but it has to be damn well maintained as well.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works