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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#521 - 2012-03-26 18:51:43 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support

Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest.

Two guys shooting a monument in a video game in protest is a cry for help. Maybe we should get them therapists and councilors because it's obviously the responsibility of video game makers to provide players free mental healthcare.


Given the crippled real world economy and the cuts to healthcare in most of our countries, why not just bombard them with mails and save tax payers money?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#522 - 2012-03-26 18:51:43 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support


Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest.



It will be...


:shobon:

Keep believing little pubbie...keep believing.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#523 - 2012-03-26 18:51:59 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Valk Enaka wrote:

The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.

What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened.

-1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book.

I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether.


So next year he might only get 10,057 votes

are you sure?

R.S.I2014
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#524 - 2012-03-26 18:52:06 UTC
Why are people still babbling on about Psychology? It's irrelevant.

The issue is that The Mittani, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the rules by harassing someone. That's it. It's been said before (self-quoting for the win):

Quote:
1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant.

2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted.

3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company).

(snip)

He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.

The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct.

(snip)


You guys are doing the same thing that occurred during that whole Lewinsky scandal, where it became about adultery instead of perjury. There's no point in yammering on about psychology and suicide like you know what you're talking about when it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand (though sadly had the player in question not been considered "suicidal" I doubt this issue would be receiving the attention it is).
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#525 - 2012-03-26 18:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Quote:

The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up

If the "mad about Mittani" crowd gets their way any time something happens in-game that you don't like you can just cry about being suicidal and get rewarded


My response was to the poster who claimed "if the person was really suicidal then everyone would have acted completely different". As in "nobody really pushes suicidal people"

Well, that would be NO. There are people who really do do that. Oh sure, MOST PEOPLE don't. But there really are people in the real world who really do push suicidal people hard

As for Mittani, he knew the guy was a whiner, but much like the annoying atheist chick who youtube'd "that some guy I didn't want to sleep with hit on me in an elevator and I said no and he left", his wildly insane public attack on a damaged individual is in extraordinarily poor taste

In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack

The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.

NOTE:
Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#526 - 2012-03-26 18:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
lol this is like the New Eden occupy movement, where a bunch of indignant nobodies think if they whine loud enough they'll get their treat, when in reality all that happens is that the elite suffer no negative consequences and a bunch of public parks/forums get stunk up by protestor feces/badposts
Kara Roideater
#527 - 2012-03-26 18:53:55 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Just so everyone knows, I'm not condoning what Mittani said but what I'm saying is that you can't prove the guy is suicidal at all.

What I'm REALLY trying to say is: Lol this thread


You miss the point entirely. The problem is precisely the reverse of your formulation - that a call went out to harass someone despite the fact that no-one could be really sure that he wasn't genuinely suicidal. In cases like that it seems pretty obvious that you should err on the side of caution because whatever the upside of mocking and griefing such a person is cannot possibly outweigh the possible downside that has not been rigorously excluded. Scam the guy - fine, it's eve. Mock the guy a bit to his face - a bit more questionable, but Goons will be Goons. Publicly call for people to harass him in the explicit context of his self-identification as suicidal, without making any real effort (because such would be impossible) to rule out the possibility that he really was? That's just childish self-gratification (which in itself is fine) gambling with the real life well-being of others (which is definitely not). To take that bet, whatever the odds, is reprehensible, not to say pointlessly dangerous. Unless you value your giggles that highly that you would be willing to actually risk someone's life for them?
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#528 - 2012-03-26 18:54:30 UTC
I'm gay.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#529 - 2012-03-26 18:54:56 UTC
Oh man that was a p good snipe
Daktar Jaxs
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#530 - 2012-03-26 18:55:07 UTC
Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears
Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#531 - 2012-03-26 18:56:02 UTC
Daktar Jaxs wrote:
Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears


twas pretty funny...
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#532 - 2012-03-26 18:56:21 UTC
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope all these ******* tools are actually in Jita trying to get a riot going.


Guy in Jita:

"Hey, why is that 1 guy shooting the monument over there?"

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#533 - 2012-03-26 18:56:23 UTC
Jonathan Malcom wrote:
PinkKnife wrote:
Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.

This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and losing isk is one thing, the harassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.

I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.

His antics, while arguably borderline sociopathic, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention.


Hi. My uncle on my mothers side committed suicide.

It was a joke. Kill yourself.



Oh man, you're so cool, can I be just like you? As some of the comments on Massively have said, this bullshit I don't care about anyone form of anonymous machismo is pathetic and childish. L2 grow up you child.
stoicfaux
#534 - 2012-03-26 18:56:32 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
I'm gay.

We're happy that you're happy?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#535 - 2012-03-26 18:56:40 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack

The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.

NOTE:
Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.


It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.

It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help.

By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves.


I don't think the display was very tasteful, but I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-03-26 18:57:12 UTC
Also, I wasn't aware that the EULA covered out of game actions?
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#537 - 2012-03-26 18:57:34 UTC
Daktar Jaxs wrote:
Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears




None of us could have extracted care bear tears any better than Mittens has done.

Next time I see him in game or on comms of some sort, I plan to personally congratulate him on so many tears...

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#538 - 2012-03-26 18:57:46 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Also, I wasn't aware that the EULA covered out of game actions?


So if I'm talking to my friend IRL and I start calling a guy I know in eve names and saying he should kill himself, could my friend file a petition and get me banned?
Kara Roideater
#539 - 2012-03-26 18:58:32 UTC
Krutex wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.



Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!


As is your ability to refute his statement with an equal amount of evidence.


Sadly your logic-fu is weak, grasshopper. You may want to spend some hours practicing 'sitting crane' position in the library.

I have no need to refute his argument. It is enough that the matter is uncertain for the Mittani's actions to be abhorrent (in CCP's words). If he cannot be sure that the guy wasn't suicidal then he chose to gamble with someone's well-being. The only time it would have been OK would have been if there was real certainty that there was no problem. Not internet-spaceship-nerd 'psychological intuition'.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#540 - 2012-03-26 18:59:02 UTC
thought Suicide ganking was allowed whats everyone so mad about?