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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#341 - 2012-03-26 17:25:58 UTC
I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade

It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this

Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated

Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing

And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired

If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image

Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#342 - 2012-03-26 17:26:03 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
ya bunch of sociopaths.


Where did you get your psychology degree?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#343 - 2012-03-26 17:26:23 UTC
Hench Tenet wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Hench Tenet wrote:
This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.



No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.


So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal?

>Implying it would make an attention whore suicidal
Orkasm
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2012-03-26 17:26:57 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade

It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this

Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated

Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing

And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired

If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image

Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you.


Where did you get your Law degree?
ps3ud0nym
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#345 - 2012-03-26 17:27:05 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
It's not immoral to mock stupid people.


Nope. But it IS illegal.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-03-26 17:27:52 UTC
It's me. I'm the sociopath.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2012-03-26 17:28:02 UTC
A nerd in Eve Online told me so.
Orkasm
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#348 - 2012-03-26 17:28:26 UTC
ps3ud0nym wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
It's not immoral to mock stupid people.


Nope. But it IS illegal.


Under what law?
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#349 - 2012-03-26 17:28:30 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Aryndel Vyst wrote:
Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?

If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.

In closing,

DEAL

WITH

IT




"Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself."

Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective."


Already been done.

Amity Lane wrote:
This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2012-03-26 17:28:47 UTC
Orkasm wrote:
ps3ud0nym wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
It's not immoral to mock stupid people.


Nope. But it IS illegal.


Under what law?

US General Law probably
Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#351 - 2012-03-26 17:28:53 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?

It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason.


There were posts made immediately afterwards, they just didn't gain any traction like this one has.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#352 - 2012-03-26 17:29:36 UTC
Hench Tenet wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Hench Tenet wrote:
This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.



No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.


So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal?


I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."

Don't violence me bro!
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2012-03-26 17:29:42 UTC
THE MATTANII SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED LIKE THE EVE ONLINE TRAITOR HE IS HE DOESN'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OFF WITH HIS HEAD
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#354 - 2012-03-26 17:31:04 UTC
A) The Wis should have been permabanned for threatening to kill himself like all others who uses suicide as a bargaining chip.
B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.
C) The NPC Alt pubbies are obviously the most prevalent ones since they got an axe to grind.
D) I'm responsible for scamming over 100 marks during the Ice Interdiction and 4 of those have threatened to kill themselves. I have no responsibility to those who threatened to kill themselves. I've had their whine posted on our goonfleet boards for all to see so I don't giveafuck if other members of GSF made fun of them over space pixels personally or outside the game. It's just simply not my problem
E) The whole cyberbullying is moot. The laws that were passed here in the United States in only 7 states are only to protect those under the age of minority. So The Wis is not qualified to to be protected. Nor will any action taken place today be applied retroactively by any future bills because our constitution does not allow for that.

Keep crying more NPC alt pubbies. Maybe eventually when Lady Gaga's dead from all the crack she does, she'll notice the cyberbullying happening here on Eve Online.
Pepinillos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#355 - 2012-03-26 17:31:07 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Pepinillos wrote:

Why don't you quote the entire post?


Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.


Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that.
Frothgar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#356 - 2012-03-26 17:31:55 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder.


No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game.

Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in.

The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#357 - 2012-03-26 17:32:30 UTC
Pepinillos wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Pepinillos wrote:

Why don't you quote the entire post?


Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.


Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that.


We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-03-26 17:32:47 UTC
Xeross155 wrote:
Orkasm wrote:
ps3ud0nym wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
It's not immoral to mock stupid people.


Nope. But it IS illegal.


Under what law?

US General Law probably

It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#359 - 2012-03-26 17:33:24 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."


It's interesting that you're completely fine with people taking The Mittani's comments out of context and using them against him.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#360 - 2012-03-26 17:34:02 UTC
And it continues The Escapist news site

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.