Warfare & Tactics

That's because you don't know my Amarr Militia alt..

Caldari militia can field the fleets if they wanted to, during my 2 week stint with Cal mil in Piranha we organized this bit Caldari armor fleet lolz (entire fleet not shown, but you get the idea, not bragging about the kill just look at the ships on the mail). I believe I sent Mjolnir Gost and other cal mil FCs a TON of mails detailing fittings of all different kinds of fleets. From AHAC/CS/T3 armor to shield BS, Kiting t3 shields, triage fleet BS and so on. Cal mil has the pilots for all of them, it is just a matter of getting their members in the ship and trying them out.

Was a very fun fleet IMO, and although piranha members are taking a break to pursue some other interests I don't see why cal militia can't field more fleets like that. I had the opportunity to be in fleet with multiple different cal militia FCs, and there are a few I think could run this kind of stuff regularly. The FCs themselves need to improve a bit (who doesn't though?). They're not going to get better at fleets like this by running plex fleets.

Caldari militia were all really nice to work with, and all listened to my urges for particular fits etc, but IMO there is one thing that is holding caldari militia back. The mindset is terrible. The stigma of fail militia, and to show a few quotes from the militia "we need every swinging **** we can get", and "as long as they bring something, it's fine". These ideas have got to change, people have got to get some confidence and standardize their doctrine, and get some FCs that are willing to risk wiping a fleet.

Not trying to come off like piranha was the prodigy elite pvp corp to save cal miltia or something either. During the time in militia there was quite a bit of potential lying around that just needs to be put into practice. To those caldari militia members that are saying gallente are just blobbers, or that you'd rather have small gang pvp then don't whine when you don't get respect from gallente. SOTF in particular puts out nice fleets, and yes they do have numbers. Outnumbering your opponent isn't an advantage caldari for instance give away when it's 5-8 vs 1-2 pies or galls (don't act like this doesn't happen), 8 vs 1-3 is perfectly acceptable, but suddenly it's wrong if it's 25 vs 15? This again goes back to the mindset I mentioned with caldari. Stop making ****** excuses as to why your opponents win against you and figure out a way to beat them. I really think this answer is obvious, organize your fleets and find an FC with the nuts to lead it without worrying about a wipe. Learn from the mistakes that get made, for instance in that triage BS fight vs 5 guardians + t3 + 3 caps we went over that fight multiple times in how we could have done a better job. The fight I'm talking about is the one lockout posted on the first page of this, he also mentions we didn't have the brains to field a neut BS. Admittedly we should have had one, and in fact we sent out a mail the next day detailing fits for neut BS so that the next time we'd be ready. That's what cal mil needs to do, don't be afraid to try this stuff out, and when/if it goes wrong just learn from it and make beneficial well thought out changes. I know that I personally have failed as an FC plenty of times, plenty of success as well, but the failures were far more valuable in terms of learning how to run fleets.

To give an example of why I think cal mil should build up to these fleets, even with just some simple yet properly fit armor BCs you can fight some other well put together gangs BC + logi and even though we jumped out of the situation after a few kills and still lost something everyone had a good time.

We have ran large Logi supported gangs in the past and fought head to head and even out blobbed Gals in the past. It's not that Caldari "can't" do it., I just don't think there is a lot of desire to do it at the moment.

http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10009811
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9965318
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9932373

Do you have any idea how often we used to get "blue balled" by Gallentte when they would run back to Heyidlies to "reship"? It was pretty much every damn time we took out a gang. This was the typical way it happened.

1: Gals would show to Enaluri with large gang wanting fights, they claimed.
2: Caldari would form up gang to fight them.
3. Gallente didn't like said gang and Caldari would chase them back to Heyidlies.
4. Gallente would spend 30-45 mins trying to come up with perfect counter for our gang or try to get ******** numbers.
5. Fight either finally happened or we got blue balled, 9 out of 10 times Gallente wouldn't fight with out being 2 to 3 jumps away from their home system and it was almost always us that had to jump into them.

While I do admit Caldari is a little too focused on doing small gang stuff at the moment and we really should do some larger gangs more often, it's just I think most FC's ended up getting burned out and extremely bored with having to go through the same exact procedure to get a fight with Gallentte almost every day.

Admittedly, Caldari should have just kept forming up our gangs and just went off to look for other targets when Gallente would do the whole blue ball procedure. We should of just told them to F off and head to null sec or something looking for a fight.

Added to this we had a few of the good FC's burn out/stop logging in and at the time, there were a few real emo types that tried to take over the Militia and would ***** and moan on coms, non stop if we lost a fight. I remember several times these same small group from the same corp were calling various guys spys and belittling them on coms, if someone made a mistake. (those guys have since moved on)

I think that was finally what broke the camels back as people were no longer joining the larger gangs and we eventually just stopped running them as much of Caldari simply went AFK.

Well yea that was the funny part about gals always running back to "reship". It's not like we really ever changed our gangs up much. Our FC's wanted to run Nanno BC's so we used Drakes & Hurricanes with logi/ew support. The random Apoc's in few of those links were just a bit of testing to see how well Shield Tanked Pulsepocs would work in support of the Drakes as at the time Gals were starting to fly a lot of Drakes as well. (also BR's could have some other random kills in them)

For the most part, we used Nanno BC's because they worked and were the best counter to Gals always wanting to run Armor BS. Quite simply as Caldari I think it was just harder to form up Armor BS gangs and we surly weren't going to field a gang of 20 Ravens (although that might be funny to see).

As far as flying expensive stuff like Hacs & t3's.. Honestly man at the time we had a meat grinder going on and guys on both sides lost a lot of ships, so it would of been hard to keep up the fighting for both sides had we all been tossing away a lot of T2 or T3 hulls everyday.

I think it was mostly the four horsemen guys that were responsible for us fielding our gangs at the time, aside from maybe a random guy/group here or there. They were the most organized corp at the time and had the most active players/FC's. I think as Caldari Militia started getting inactive they also suffered the same and since there really hasn't been any other well organized corps to step up to the plate as most of the Cal Militia corps seem to want to do their own thing atm and are scattered across the map.

There was Wolfy & Draketrain of course prior to this but at that time I wasn't really joining any gangs so can't really commit on what went on when they were around. I know Draketrain used to run a lot of big gangs and recruited half the Militia I think lol. Then Wolfy seemed very into their own thing so never really had much experience with them.

Pretty sure you're talking about primer raging at beshnu, right?

lol GL with that.. I was in a bunker busting fleet when we took Intaki the first go round a month or two ago and we were moving ships down by Deven. Along the way we ran into some pie gang and as we sat on the gate someone asked.. "so who's FCing" (because the FC had gone afk and docked.

Well mistakenly I said I'll do it.. pretty much about 30 seconds b4 the pies jumped in.. We killed one had a 2nd just about dead, lost 1 BC & a few frigs and you should of heard the emo in the middle of the fight mind you that.. OMG they are nanno we are all gonna die..

After that I decided not to FC Militia gangs so I just do corp gangs now, because anytime I've ever tried it's like trying to herd a bunch of tarded kittens.. (not even cute kittens). I'd rather take brand new noobs that will actually listen and fly fits that the gang needs, than take out guys that wont fit what you need and ***** and moan in the middle of a fight..




TBH, I can't remember his name but I think it might of been him. He did it several times in gangs I joined and got old pretty fast. Was also a few of his other guys that jumped in a gang I was in, with a new guy that was trying to FC. They totally disrupted the gang forcing us to stop because we couldn't get them out of the channel and that's pretty much when I stopped joining any of the gangs with them because they were just acting like dicks. Not to mention they were trying to get guys kicked out of the intel channel that they didn't like, so I was glad to see the corp move on, as they weren't doing anything good for the Militia.

Why don't your leaders get together and set up a time where both sides log on and do official scrim type matches in your system of choice...maybe at least a week or every few days. Then you have that, and everything in between is extra. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.

My 2 cents.

So I heard amarr went down and capped a few systems (hint, intaki). Nice to see you're so butthurt about this

It's easier for people to argue in public and seek the approval of many than to converse in private and seek the approval of one.

But yes, the constant flamebaiting and trolling on both sides can be a turn off to would-be FW applicants. Some of them would rather go to Minmatar/Amarr side where the forum smack is rather light. Couldn't blame them.

This could never happen.. Gallente smack talk is weak and unimaginative, while Caldari's is cunning and witty. Gallente smack talk makes the guys whom say "you mad bro?" look intelligent & original. We simply could never have any GF agreements with these kind of lower than average smacking standards.

It would just never work and we would have to let them down easy with the "it's not you it's me" speech.