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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#61 - 2012-03-26 09:27:09 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
I would like to call for the resignation of “The Mittani” in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are “expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.”

For those who are unfamiliar with The Mittani’s misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide.

CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing, EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries.

When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would be banned by CCP. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants?

For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM.

I would have to agree, but this idea will go as far as my ability to pick up an elephant and throw it.

I found it funny that every single non EVE player criticized CCP (that I know of who seen the CSM and Alliance panels) for allowing such actions. ESP when mittens is a representative of CCP. (local group watched it live at a bar with about 50-60 non-EVE players.) None of them were impressed.

I also strongly believe that representing players does not include, getting drunk at a panel, insulting players, publicly flogging players and showing chat logs of such...just to name a few.

Hell, during the Alliance panel, the CCP employee was hiding in the corner and staying away from camera shot during Mittens "speach"

Not cool, not impessed. If he at least acted respectful towards other players then I would've called this a ***** and whine thread. I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#62 - 2012-03-26 09:30:19 UTC
Ch3244 wrote:
lol didn't realize so many carebears existed

Welcome to the world of warcraft Eve Online forums.

Also, have any of you fine gentlemen got a link to this video? It sounds hilarious.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-03-26 09:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

Good luck with that.

~10,058~
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#64 - 2012-03-26 09:33:59 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

Good luck with that.

~10,058~


For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-03-26 09:36:55 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

Good luck with that.

~10,058~


For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!

Sure thing. See you then.

~10,058~
Rukia Taika
Allied Operations
Mechanicus Macabre Immortale
#66 - 2012-03-26 09:43:17 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Karadion wrote:
[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions.



You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game.

I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day.

"I'm going to kill myself."
"Okay. And?"


you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM.

Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are.

Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-03-26 09:49:49 UTC
Rukia Taika wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Karadion wrote:
[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions.



You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game.

I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day.

"I'm going to kill myself."
"Okay. And?"


you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM.

Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are.

Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end

Where did I wish harm on another human being? Nowhere. I am not responsible for their own decisions that they've made. The world will move on still even if a person killed themselves. Foreclosure, bankrupty, divorce, breaking up, economic situations, getting fired, getting laid off, etc all affects everyone one way or another. It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way.

Now contrast this to your idea of consequences, we are always attached to the consequences of being associated with an event whether we are directly involved or not. If we must attach responsibility to everything in our actions in life, then we'd live in a shittyass world where we don't move on and progress.

Get this in your head. The world will always move on and it certainly doesn't care about you.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-03-26 09:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
OP, go back to WoW, as your name suggests.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#69 - 2012-03-26 09:56:25 UTC
Karadion wrote:
It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way.

This.

"Zomg I'll kill myself", is not an argument to be taken seriously. To allow threats of such action to negatively impact gameplay, and for such threats to be protected and legitimized by CCP, is simply wrong. And, quite frankly, it is demeaning and belittling to those genuinely suffering from depression.

Threatening to kill yourself is not a bargaining chip to be used to stop people pestering you in an online game, it is not our responsibility to investigate the validity or seriousness of his threats of self harm and it is certainly not CCP's place to protect him from us.

Quite simply I'm glad CCP haven't had a knee jerk reaction to this, as many other games publishers would have.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
EL TITAN
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-03-26 10:04:03 UTC
In eve griefing is fun. I attended Fanfest and this particular event. (i also won a playstation but thats another story!)

His speech was funny, of this i have no doubt as people were laughing throughout!

Funny it maybe - attempting to gather support for a mass act of bullying is pretty ****** (expecially when it can lead to death)

However, i dont think that this was really the point. the point was proberly to get people wound up and effectively be trolled!

My opinion is that this is a successfull troll and nothing more, but hey.

smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast.

Titan
Valerius Anthar
Nuts Butts and EuroSluts
#71 - 2012-03-26 10:06:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Karadion wrote:
It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way.

This.

"Zomg I'll kill myself", is not an argument to be taken seriously. To allow threats of such action to negatively impact gameplay, and for such threats to be protected and legitimized by CCP, is simply wrong. And, quite frankly, it is demeaning and belittling to those genuinely suffering from depression.

Threatening to kill yourself is not a bargaining chip to be used to stop people pestering you in an online game, it is not our responsibility to investigate the validity or seriousness of his threats of self harm and it is certainly not CCP's place to protect him from us.

Quite simply I'm glad CCP haven't had a knee jerk reaction to this, as many other games publishers would have.


I'd like to chime in on this.

I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.

Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-03-26 10:17:15 UTC
Karadion wrote:

I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.


You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.


Karadion wrote:

Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone?


It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say).


Karadion wrote:

"Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger *****, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible


Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them.


Karadion wrote:

no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions.


If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were.
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#73 - 2012-03-26 10:18:53 UTC
**** this PC bullshit. It was a joke in poor taste, last time I checked that's not a crime. And to be frank, if someone actually kills themselves over this then good riddance.

I like it best when the beats are naked.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#74 - 2012-03-26 10:21:23 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

Good luck with that.

~10,058~


For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!

Sure thing. See you then.

~10,058~

EVE Online is really just a sea of alts, (which explains ~10,058~) How do you know exactly who is in your Corps/Alliances? ESP when anyone can make a virtual idenity of anyone they choose.

How do you know FOR SURE that there isn't such a new system in the works. I don't think CCP tells the CSM everything.

...
T'hena Kha'tek
Capsuleer Protective Services
#75 - 2012-03-26 10:22:13 UTC
And just to add to that, I don't think you realise how long The Mitani is going to be around, with this kind of backing from CFC and alt accounts he could be chairmen for a very long time, unless enough alliances merge togther to take out Deklien and the surrounding Goons space, then they probably will regroup in a Npc station and start again. I suggest you get use to the idea that Mitt's will be around for a very long time as a Chairmen until he gets bored with it or passes it on to his righthand man
Whoever that is??
Love him or hate him he is here for another 12 months possibly, 6 terms straight I would say as there is no rules governing the maximum number of terms a Chairmen can have.
Only way is to eat away at his voter base and that ain't going to happen as these Goons buggers have been around for a long time and adapted pretty well from their early days.
Anyway Ive leanr't dont fight go with it, its completly out of your control unless you manage to get a 15000 fleet together to take out all of goons and test, Would take years anyway and by the time you win the game will be well and truly on its last legs Shocked
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-03-26 10:25:15 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

Good luck with that.

~10,058~


For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!

You do understand, that instead you will fall in love with goons, and eventually become one of them, and in the few years you will be bad posting on these forums calling out pubbies and their stupidity?
Thats actually how goonswarm grows. People hate goons, they infiltrate goons, they become goons.

[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-03-26 10:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
Sasha Azala wrote:

I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.

It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say).

Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them.

You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.


If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were.
No, I am not. I did not force them to make that choice. I did not put those thoughts in their head. I did nothing. The consequences of thinking that is their own doing and certainly not my problem.

Again doesn't matter. You're trying to create a strawman argument by inserting supposed extenuating circumstances to modify the argument. Black and white, the bank forecloses on your house, they take the house. They are not responsible for anything else past they were allowed and capable of doing.

Again not my problem if they threaten to kill themselves and I am certainly not responsible for arranging anything to help prevent the situation. And if they do kill themselves, that's it and I don't care.

You are a moral objectivist. You think it is imperative for EVERYONE to intervene into situation regardless of their connections to another person's actions or not. I see a crime happening across the street but my own best interest is to stay out of it because I do not want to create a situation where I will bring harm to myself. I could intervene by calling 9/11 to allow law enforcement to stop it but I am not required to do so. Self-interest takes priority over other people.

The reality is that we die and the world moves on. That's the cold harsh truth.
Frying Doom
#78 - 2012-03-26 10:32:18 UTC
I love poking fun of The Mittani, for in-game things like the CSM elections.

But what you are describing is an out of game acts with possible criminal charges. As certain countries like the United States have made this kind of behavior a criminal offense as far as Iceland goes no idea.

So
1) It can't be that bad he hasn't been arrested.
2) As it borders on a criminal code and is out of game, it is not something for these forums or CCP to decide.

Please leave real life out of the game.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#79 - 2012-03-26 10:33:26 UTC
He gives a f... about other players opinion in this mabe for sure. Straight

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#80 - 2012-03-26 10:45:22 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
He gives a f... about other players opinion in this mabe for sure. Straight

I'm sure he weeps silently to himself at night, unable to burn the OP's harsh words from his mind.

T'hena Kha'tek wrote:
Only way is to eat away at his voter base and that ain't going to happen as these Goons buggers have been around for a long time and adapted pretty well from their early days.
Anyway Ive leanr't dont fight go with it, its completly out of your control unless you manage to get a 15000 fleet together to take out all of goons and test, Would take years anyway and by the time you win the game will be well and truly on its last legs Shocked

Quoting to confirm it would take a 15,000 man fleet to fight goons.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]