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Miner Extortion by Gankers

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ReaperAussie Lennelluc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-01-31 04:42:30 UTC
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#2 - 2017-01-31 05:01:06 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7


Please upgrade your troll related modules to at least meta 4 before posting again.

This troll build is not competitive.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#3 - 2017-01-31 06:48:35 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7


Last I checked, EVE is a pvp game which can encompass being ganked, scammed, ransomed and even taking steps to make oneself an unappealing target while mining.

Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs?
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#4 - 2017-01-31 07:04:17 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7

1/10 poor effort

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Luthor Ikkala
Knavish Knight Kingdom
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2017-01-31 07:23:22 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7


Thats just part of the game! And a part that makes this game as good as it is. I like the idea that youre not sade anywhere. It makes you think what to fly and how to fit it!
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-01-31 07:36:58 UTC
Dunno how can you veterans still click on these threads. I just arrived, but already bored with it's countless iterations.

Ok, I admit, some fellows post 'em in a more amusing way.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#7 - 2017-01-31 08:01:05 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Dunno how can you veterans still click on these threads. I just arrived, but already bored with it's countless iterations.

Ok, I admit, some fellows post 'em in a more amusing way.

Because occasionally you get a fun one

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#8 - 2017-01-31 11:48:24 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:

Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs?



Uhm, Alpha Clones.......seems very "Free" to me.

and besides, your "oppurtunity costs" when it comes to Omega's has no bearing on the Fact...Mining is Free to do if you want to do it. Your mining not station trading.
Hipqo
Tyde8
#9 - 2017-01-31 11:53:03 UTC
Nodoby is stopping you from either wardeccing them or joining people who wardec them.
Thats your choices tbh...

A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#10 - 2017-01-31 11:53:56 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:

Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs?



Uhm, Alpha Clones.......seems very "Free" to me.

and besides, your "oppurtunity costs" when it comes to Omega's has no bearing on the Fact...Mining is Free to do if you want to do it. Your mining not station trading.

Nothing is ever free

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Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#11 - 2017-01-31 14:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.
Uh, I have bad news for you: This is only one of the "lesser evils" of EVE. Most alliances don’t just extort some ISK from others, they right out destroy anyone they are not allied with whenever there happens to be an opportunity to do so. Sometimes because they want your space, business or mining grounds, sometimes just for fun and to see things explode. Spying, betrayal, awoxing, backstabbing longtime allies and corporation theft are quite common too, this is EVE.
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.
Maybe they should be stopped, maybe not.. but don’t hope CCP will do anything about it. If you want anyone to be stopped in EVE you have to find likeminded players and do the stopping yourself.
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.
If you are not trolling you may have no idea how often this comes up on the forums. And you are right; mining does not NEED to be dangerous at all. But CCP made it dangerous by design and not by accident, so it is safe to assume that mining is not meant to be completely risk free. In EVE everything is at risk: Risk of being blown up, risk of being undercut by competitors and in risk of being extorted for some ISK. But you can minimize your risk in highsec by flying the right fits, some situational awareness and a good corp. CODE.and co only go for the most obvious targets around, you are save just by not being among the least clever miners.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-01-31 14:50:56 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker co

Nitshe? Dat you?
Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-01-31 15:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Clockwork Robot
Yeah this is a pretty bad one.

I recently had the opportunity to log back into the game, and actually chat with CODE, and all things being equal they seem like some pretty cool people to talk to. Which makes it all the more sad that they keep posting crap like this. You guys are better than these fake troll accounts, and same stories every day.
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#14 - 2017-01-31 16:37:33 UTC
See below

kiss kiss bang bang

Maekchu
Doomheim
#15 - 2017-01-31 16:45:55 UTC
See above
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#16 - 2017-01-31 18:39:16 UTC
Actually, the OP is not a troll.

He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience.

I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you!

Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#17 - 2017-01-31 19:29:50 UTC
Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow).

I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor.


Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it.

If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance.



I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash.

If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO.
Mo
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#18 - 2017-01-31 19:45:21 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Actually, the OP is not a troll.

He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience.

I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you!

Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says.

In that case...

@OP Please for the love of Bob use the serch bar and type in 2 key words of your post and read a few before you make a new thread about the same stuff... Forum etiquette 101

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Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2017-01-31 21:09:14 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow).

I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor.


Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it.

If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance.



I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash.

If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO.
Mo


There is no such thing as "gank insurance". I feel you probably know that.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#20 - 2017-01-31 21:15:25 UTC
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow).

I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor.


Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it.

If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance.



I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash.

If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO.
Mo


There is no such thing as "gank insurance". I feel you probably know that.


I'm just expressing my opinion. Even if the probability goes down, it's worth 10 mil.

I'm not a miner, but I've done quite a bit of extortion. It doesn't take long for a relationship to build. Relationships typically end the predator/prey relationship in my opinion.

If I was a miner, id consider it.
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