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Request For Interest - Merc Contract Available

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#1 - 2017-01-09 14:57:27 UTC
Contract: Service Requisition
Category: Mercenary
Security: >0.0
War Declaration: Possible
Duration: Open Ended
Constellation of Occupation: (REDACTED)
Compensation: Shared Profits
Estimated Value: (REDACTED)
Primary time zone: East Coast USA, some EU

Lynchpin Limitations is a new High/Low sec industrial corp with industry situation pvp content. This requisition is for the acquisition of a mercenary corp services which include:

+Destruction of hostile or otherwise space vehicles which could pose a threat to industrial assets.
+Forced removal of competing interests.
+Assumed fleet command during risky operations.
+Planning of dangerous missions including communicating intentions to non-combat personnel prior to operations.
+Any required training of personnel to achieve intended outcomes as required.
+Any scouting bookmarking or otherwise to achieve intended outcomes.
+Combat fleet maintenance and logistics.

This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:

-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work
-Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2
-Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity
-Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis.
-Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.


Interested parties are to mail me the requested information. Corporations determined to meet the scope of the contract will be contacted with more specific Terms and Conditions of the contract as well as compensation details. Requests for information may or may not be filled.

This request will be active until 1/15/17
Circle-Of-Two
#2 - 2017-01-09 15:13:30 UTC
Symmitry wrote:

Compensation: Shared Profits

Unless you intend to match goons mining in delve I don't see this being a big sell point

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#3 - 2017-01-09 16:37:32 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Symmitry wrote:

Compensation: Shared Profits

Unless you intend to match goons mining in delve I don't see this being a big sell point


Oh. I was unaware that Goons hired every merc corp.

Roll
The-Culture
#4 - 2017-01-09 17:16:35 UTC
What the rent boy is trying to say to you is ,
You're asking to own a Merc group for an indefinite period.
That's not happening without an absurd amount of isk changing hands.

Symmitry wrote:

-Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2

Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts.
No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.
#5 - 2017-01-09 17:35:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
What the rent boy is trying to say to you is ,
You're asking to own a Merc group for an indefinite period.
That's not happening without an absurd amount of isk changing hands.

Symmitry wrote:

-Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2

Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts.
No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.


An unwillingness to verify capabilities is an automatic disqualification. Thank you for your interest.
#6 - 2017-01-09 18:16:40 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts.
No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.

I'm with Ralph on this one. While target confidentiality is often compromised by the public nature of wardec mechanics, employer confidentiality is one of the few things actually held sacred here in C&P and the merc community at large.

With those requirements coupled with your decidedly indeterminate monetary offer, you will likely have far more success with actually recruiting combat pilots to join your corp than you will recruiting mercenaries to do the work for you.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

#7 - 2017-01-09 18:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Symmitry
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts.
No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.

I'm with Ralph on this one. While target confidentiality is often compromised by the public nature of wardec mechanics, employer confidentiality is one of the few things actually held sacred here in C&P and the merc community at large.

With those requirements coupled with your decidedly indeterminate monetary offer, you will likely have far more success with actually recruiting combat pilots to join your corp than you will recruiting mercenaries to do the work for you.


compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion.

Thank you for your interest in doing business with Lynchpin Limitations LLC. The
#8 - 2017-01-09 18:42:30 UTC
Symmitry wrote:
Thank you for your interest in doing business with Lynchpin Limitations LLC.

Don't ever mistake someone pointing out a critical flaw in your business plan as that person taking interesting in participating in your business plan.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#9 - 2017-01-10 08:21:04 UTC
Symmitry wrote:
compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion.


Translation : Before even concluding a contract, you're asking the mercs to give you confidential information. With the "promise" you won't share it. If confidentiality is important to them (which it seems to be), then it won't work, because :
1- Giving you the information means they rely on your confidentiality skills to keep their information secure.
2- Giving you confidential information before any contract is agreed upon is a one-way street.

Also, the payment is a joke. If i were a merc, i'd simply walk away. A lot of them probably did.

I advise you to review and revise the terms of your contract.

The above message presents my opinions on the topic at hand. If there is a conflict between my views and reality, consider reality to be correct until proven otherwise.

Vendetta Mercenary Group
#10 - 2017-01-10 09:25:38 UTC
Symmitry wrote:


This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:

-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work
-Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2
-Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity
-Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis.
-Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.



Let me get this straight...you're asking a Merc corp to provide you with precise details of their numbers, previous clients, standard doctrines and activity times. All without any guarantee of a contract at the end or any real details of what you want them to do?

Sounds awfully like a phishing exercise to me...
#11 - 2017-01-10 13:21:42 UTC
YeuxVerts Belle wrote:
Symmitry wrote:
compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion.


Translation : Before even concluding a contract, you're asking the mercs to give you confidential information. With the "promise" you won't share it. If confidentiality is important to them (which it seems to be), then it won't work, because :
1- Giving you the information means they rely on your confidentiality skills to keep their information secure.
2- Giving you confidential information before any contract is agreed upon is a one-way street.

Also, the payment is a joke. If i were a merc, i'd simply walk away. A lot of them probably did.

I advise you to review and revise the terms of your contract.


That's right. A merc group is in the business of assuming risk. If they cannot shoulder the business risk then I have no interest in exposing myself to additional risk by doing business with them. It's not like I am asking for more information than I couldn't hunt down on my own anyway.

Hey look, this is how business contracts are done. It wasn't posted here for criticism. Either play ball or keep ganking T1 haulers and roam low sec looking targets.


Btw conclusion means to finish. I want to know the merc corp I am dealing with isn't a joke before I waste time talking about terms and conditions or negotiating payment. I think the word your looking for is "offering"
#12 - 2017-01-10 13:29:18 UTC
Savoycabbage wrote:
Symmitry wrote:


This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:

-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work
-Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2
-Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity
-Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis.
-Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.



Let me get this straight...you're asking a Merc corp to provide you with precise details of their numbers, previous clients, standard doctrines and activity times. All without any guarantee of a contract at the end or any real details of what you want them to do?

Sounds awfully like a phishing exercise to me...


Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.

If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements.
Circle-Of-Two
#13 - 2017-01-10 14:04:04 UTC
I am not sure if there us merc corp willing to accept Job like this unless you are paying good money for it. I would propose cheaper and by long term more beneficial option. I once did this and it worked Just fine for My corp:

Befriend local low sec alliance/Group and deal with them. Sure it requires some diplo but I have seen low sec fellas often to be quite reasonable. They might kill you few times at first but with right attitude and talking to people you get surprisingly far.
Vendetta Mercenary Group
#14 - 2017-01-10 14:43:01 UTC
Symmitry wrote:


Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.

If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements.


I don't speak for my Alliance, but I get the feeling that you're going to be disappointed and have a fundamental misunderstanding of how business arrangements are made in Eve or in general.

In this particular situation the reputations of the Mercenary Corps are established and can be explored by reading these forums and looking at zkill etc. Anyone who reads these forums regularly knows the various alliances and can vouch for their respective specialities. Additionally, those clients who want to be identified have made themselves known on these boards or elsewhere in the community.

The unknown entity is you. You are asking for a large amount of sensitive information with no reputation to back it up. Nor are you offering any offset for the risk you are asking the corps to make. You are the one who needs to shop around and get the best quote for what you want.
#15 - 2017-01-10 15:16:41 UTC
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am not sure if there us merc corp willing to accept Job like this unless you are paying good money for it. I would propose cheaper and by long term more beneficial option. I once did this and it worked Just fine for My corp:

Befriend local low sec alliance/Group and deal with them. Sure it requires some diplo but I have seen low sec fellas often to be quite reasonable. They might kill you few times at first but with right attitude and talking to people you get surprisingly far.



Thanks for a friendly reply. We are inquiring to this option because the things we want to do are not restricted to a singular local.


#16 - 2017-01-10 15:29:18 UTC
Savoycabbage wrote:
Symmitry wrote:


Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.

If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements.


I don't speak for my Alliance, but I get the feeling that you're going to be disappointed and have a fundamental misunderstanding of how business arrangements are made in Eve or in general.

In this particular situation the reputations of the Mercenary Corps are established and can be explored by reading these forums and looking at zkill etc. Anyone who reads these forums regularly knows the various alliances and can vouch for their respective specialities. Additionally, those clients who want to be identified have made themselves known on these boards or elsewhere in the community.

The unknown entity is you. You are asking for a large amount of sensitive information with no reputation to back it up. Nor are you offering any offset for the risk you are asking the corps to make. You are the one who needs to shop around and get the best quote for what you want.


I beg to differ sir. I know quite well what I am doing. Again I am not really asking for that much, as you yourself have stated. Thebonly thing I am asking for that I cannot confirm on my own is time zone alignment, proper amount of force for our application, and verifiable quality of work. Quite frankly I have no interest in communicating details of the contract with anyone who does not meet these requirements more do I have the inclination to research every merc corp then find out if they are interested.

I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to.
Circle-Of-Two
#17 - 2017-01-10 18:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
So my first post was a hint that 'shared profits' is too vague to bother with as the vast majority of small 9 day old corps aren't going to have a huge profit margin to share or be worth the time invested in both protecting you and commiting to grinding down presumably a few structures of what ever competing intrests are in the area.

The next issue with your contract is it has no area listed. It doesn't need to be specific but it should include the region or at leaset the NPC empire that owns the area of high/lowsec you wish to attempt your setup in so the local groups to those areas who also do mervenary work might bother to get in touch.

Finally your attitude is terrible towards the people who have given you advice about your posting here. If I were looking for a new potential client and saw how receptive you were to advice from somebody of Ralphs experience and calibre I wouldn't look twice at your proposal after reading the comments section

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2017-01-10 19:38:13 UTC
this could be posted as a guide on how not to hire a mercenary
The-Culture
#19 - 2017-01-10 20:38:09 UTC
Symmitry wrote:

I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to.

This is an informal business based entirely on reputations (hard won over years) and the credible trust that those reputations command.

Right off the batt you're asking any and all potential service representative to throw their professional integrity,
And something that in all likelihood would never be regained (trust),
out the window just to deal with you.

The reason I'm explaining this to you is, I don't think you realise exactly how insulting you are coming across.

Seriously, older, larger and far more capable groups than ye have been ripped apart for far far less.
Vendetta Mercenary Group
#20 - 2017-01-11 09:01:55 UTC
Symmitry wrote:

I beg to differ sir. I know quite well what I am doing. Again I am not really asking for that much, as you yourself have stated. Thebonly thing I am asking for that I cannot confirm on my own is time zone alignment, proper amount of force for our application, and verifiable quality of work. Quite frankly I have no interest in communicating details of the contract with anyone who does not meet these requirements more do I have the inclination to research every merc corp then find out if they are interested.

I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to.


I was going to write a response to this, but I think Ralph has covered it better than I ever could
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